• jobby@lemmy.today
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      8 months ago

      Sorry?!?! I totally support what the guy stood for. Putin is a shitstain.

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        I totally support what the guy stood for.

        Navalny was a driving force in the annual anti-Muslim, antisemitic, anti-immigrant “Russian March” in Moscow. Its central themes are “Take Back Russia,” “Russia for Russians” and “Stop Feeding the Caucasus” — the latter a demand to end federal subsidies to poorer, less-developed, largely Muslim regions of Russia. He has a video ad calling Central Asian and Muslim peoples of the Caucasus in Russia “cockroaches that must be exterminated” while implying people should go out and shoot them.

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          Interesting. I guess I, and most other people in the West just assumed he was anti-Putin and therefore good.

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              Hey, this user is reevaluating their original assumptions taking into account new information.

              That is already a far step above the typical westerner response of pluging their ears and going “nuh uh” then accusing you of being a foreign intelligence agent.

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            Huh that’s weird that’s exactly what we’ve been saying the entire time and we’ve been called every fucking name in the book by you smug dipshit liberals.

            Now take this sudden realization that you had no idea about the person until the media told you about him 6 months ago and the media intentionally propped him up as a hero despite all that and apply it to the entire war.

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                Sure would be nice if there was any actual benefit to it but instead we just get called Russian bots or children who don’t understand the vast complexities of the things we keep predicting 2 years I’m advance.

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                At large, they were wrong about the military buildup at the border not being for an actual invasion.

                Dialectical materialism is just such an effective analytical tool that those who can apply it to current events wind up at accurate conclusions far more frequently than those who can’t.

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                  “They” once again being liberals.

                  A bunch of people were saying that it was about to happen, specifically people with access to information that would make them qualified to make that prediction.

                  Those same people are now saying ukraine has no way to win.

                  Its just that, once again, the entirety of the liberal media hegemony lied to you to maintain the status quo.

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            This is the time when you should self-reflect about how the West propaganda you into this state. Governments, media lie all the time, why should you trust them when they report about their enemy’s countries?

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                I understand how it can be frustrating for you idiots to be constantly corrected by us, but maybe if you tried learning before assuming you wouldn’t find yourselves geting dogpiled for your ignorant kneejerk support of an islamophobic white supremacist ultranationalist.

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                  I’m not the one frustrated. Just in a Pavlovian sense, it seems counterproductive to clown the people willing to listen the hardest.

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                    the people willing to listen the hardest.

                    I don’t know if you can see usernames on your instance but theirs ends in “@lemmy”, not “@hexbear” or “@lemmygrad”.

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                Liberals speedrun going from telling us we dont know anything to criticizing us for being smug we were right for the 1000th time any%

                Maybe if people would stop calling us dumb tankies who don’t know how the world works we would stop saying “told you so” everytime we were proven right, again

                Also eat my whole ass

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            How is that spreading Russian propaganda?!

            Putin wants to undermine everything Ukraine does and everything their officials say. He wants us to think he killed Navalny in order to boost this message to opponents of Russia, and when a Ukrainian official breaks the truth here you are clinging to Putler’s fantasies. Don’t bother KGB bot, I have personally read every word Anne Applebaum has ever written and would never fall for your underhanded slavic tricks.

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            How is that spreading Russian propaganda?!?!

            wow, you can tell it’s an election year… don’t even bother, i know you and your kremlin bot army are just here to convince me not to vote for hillary again. for the record, it won’t work. i’m voting for her twice this year.

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            I think it’s unfair to someone this credulous, so I will let you in on the fact that they are fucking with you when they call you a Russian bot or whatever. People are just really sick of dealing with ignorant neoliberals who treat Navalny like Tank Man. The other things they said, about him being a fascist, etc., were sincere and have even been covered in overly-sympathetic sources like Atlantic.

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        I’m curious what you think Navalny stood for, which you claim to totally support? Spoilers, he was an ultra far-right nationalist piece of human garbage.

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          I recently understood that he ‘flirted’ with the rightwing many years ago, but didn’t know he still was.

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            I know you’re getting roasted in the replies, but this is absolutely what most reasonable people would assume given the media atmosphere in the west right now.

            It’s just that western media is generally an unquestioning megaphone for the desires of the US national security apparatus because they’ll lose access to information sources if they don’t.

            It’s always worth exploring information from other sources, especially when it’s about foreign affairs.

            A good strategy for this is:

            1. Pick one country opposed to the West on a given issue
            2. Pick one country that is neither allied or opposed
            3. Search “<country> top news sites”
            4. Search the topic on a few of those sites. Translate pages if necessary.

            I use an RSS feed reader, so when I find a source with English-language version of the site & an RSS feed, I add those to my geopolitics feed, tagging them by country and continent.