• marxismtomorrow@lemmy.todayBanned from community
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    Why does this person think artemis (boeing) is a more communal mission than anything spacex does?

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      Probably because they went around the moon which is perceived as not for profit endeavour to further humanity, unlike SpaceX polluting space with its outrageous satellites. I’m aware that SLS is just a jobs programme, but despite that the whole premise of Artemis is a little more visionary.

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        No love to Elon but… SpaceX’s primary business and goal has nothing to do with starlink, which is just a fundraising venture.

        The goal has always been mars, with Starship and the superheavy launcher.

        If they just wanted to put up starlink, the falcon 9 system is more than capable, hence why it is the most flown space launch platform in human history, by quite a large margin.

        Also Musk is to SpaceX as Henry Ford is to the modern Ford motor corporation. He’s locked out of pretty much all decisions, he’s been locked out of the engineering decisions for years, and besides him buying and then reselling access like he did in ukraine he’s not really involved.

        I know Artemis has attracted people that haven’t paid attention to space flight since the 1960s, but there’s a reason the ISS is only going to use spacex capsules on the international side until it’s decommissioned; and there’s a reason why any on-moon missions are going to be pretty much just spaceX’s vehicles; at least according to all NASA plans for the next decade.

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          SpaceX as Henry Ford is to the modern Ford motor corporation

          A nazi with political connections who keeps dropping completely unworkable tasks onto competent engineers and administrators, and also lost the company a shitton of money because he couldn’t stop disseminating nazi propaganda?

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            Henry ford the dead person is not doing any of that, and Elon hasn’t done that for spacex since before he came out as a nazi.

            Please keep up with the world if you’re going to criticize it.

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          I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I assume it’s just because you aren’t saying “Elon bad”. What you said is accurate with the exception of the last part, because Blue Origin is also in the HLS (lunar lander) business now and there’s a decent chance theirs is ready first.

          Despite the stink of Elon on SpaceX, I bet many of these same people will closely follow a Starship HLS lunar landing. It’ll still be cool.

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            Basically fake space fans that don’t know enough about the situation. They think hating Elon takes precedent over… literally all thought and facts; or that the billionaires behind the SLS and orion capsule are somehow better than the billionaire behind starship.

            Also classic reddit group think from people that have never been banned on reddit and just joined lemmy to be different.

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      artemis (boeing)

      Just for the clarity of the record:

      • the 1st stage tank of the SLS rocket is Boeing
      • the 2nd stage is ULA (a joint Boeing/Lockheed company)
      • the 1st and 2nd stage engines are Aerojet Rockdyne (which is now a subsidiary of L3Harris Technologies)
      • the solid rocket boosters on the side are Northrop Grumman
      • the service module is Airbus Defense and Space along with Thales
      • the capsule is Lockheed

      So you’ve got four giant American defense contractors, and two European defense contractors owned by French, German, Spain, and Italy.

      Maybe the communal part is the community of western defense contractors.

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      The question is why do you think spacex is an equal or greater communal effort.

      Comparing accomplishments is the outcome, not the effort, therefore not the communal effort.

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        SpaceX, owned by nazi billionaire(s) but staffed by mostly ex-JPL engineers and people enthusiastic about getting humans to colonize space, works with NASA and multiple universities in order to advance the common goal of colonizing space;

        isn’t much different from:

        Boeing, Lockheed, and a half dozen defense contractors, all owned by nazi billionaires, all staffed with various engineers that have floated between public and private sector life, all working (in this exact instance) on the human colonization of space, all lead by NASA and the international science community.

        If we’re comparing accomplishments, then SpaceX has done more successful launches than the entirety of NASA, by a large margin; including human space flights.