• MarxMadness [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    4 days ago

    I know no one wants to hear it here, but she’s right, and not even just technically right. There are tons of people willing to go to bat for genocidal freaks: look at how many people gleefully voted for Kamala, look at the hogs backing Trump. Look at the whitewashing of nearly every former U.S. president.

    Theorizing that people “naturally” (whatever that means) reject horrible things is a profound misunderstanding of how people work. It’s idealism. There are countless examples of people ignoring, tolerating, or outright supporting atrocities even as they happen around them.

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      90% of the current pro-Palestinian non-Muslim folks were both-siding, concern trolling and language policing until Kamala lost at best and at worst where very much seeing Israhell as a progressive force. Historical revisionism is abound, just like somehow every hwite grandpa and grandma was supportive of MLK nowdays.

    • At the most generous, she seems to be talking past the commenter, but that was poorly phrased on her part. There are still people who support isntrael knowing full well they’re doing a genocide, and the fact that they’re doing a genocide is also the reason each day is the most popular isntrael will ever be

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        What could be a more direct response to “it’s natural everyone dislikes genocidal freaks” than “I don’t think it’s natural” and some examples of genocidal freaks people support?

        I’ve never watched any Contrapoints or followed her social media. I’m guessing most of the responses here (and the fact that this thread was created in the first place) stem from people who are more familiar with her and think she sucks on other grounds.

        • I think the argument doesn’t necessarily match the conclusion. “I don’t think it’s natural” can be read here as “I think it’s not within human nature to oppose genocide” but she argues that “The argument to human nature does not explain why people support genocide”

          To me, “it’s not natural” would imply the first — that there is no basis in human nature for empathy to Palestinians, etc.

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      nah, people naturally reject horrible things in that they actively don’t believe they are happening, people don’t defend massacres as in cool they massacred, they reframe it as they deserved or whatever, but not killing is good way.

      i would argue that entity is still fine at propaganda, look how many sanctions they are under for their efficiency.