Really? Starving children? Their bank accounts were seized, they weren’t imprisoned. The mother should be able to plan ahead for some days.
Honestly this kind of catastrophizing makes it difficult to understand what the actual issue is, which is a journalist is being sanctioned for being critical of their government
Ahead enough of what? Should we have contingency plans in case the EU one day out of the blue decides to sanction us??? How far ahead should we be planning? Stock up for a year? How should we pay rent, utilities, health insurance etc with no bank account?
So you’re saying he shouldn’t have covered the genocide in Gaza, or that he should have put money in his mattress, and it’s his fault his children are now at risk, rather than the system that decided to sanction him over his coverage of Gaza?
No. He’s provided an invaluable service to the rest of us. Ideally someone is his community offer to care for the children while his wife disentangles herself from the sanctions. He knew since last year he was being sanctioned, it’s not responsible to forgoe a contingency plan for his loved ones.
This shouldn’t have been a surprise, and it should be a wake-up call for other journalists to create these sort of contingency plans.
Bro the contingency was his wife had money and could shoulder the burden for a little while. Then they froze all of her assets too. You know, the person NOT under sanctions for covering isreals ethnic cleansing.
On the one hand I agree, what is this “quite literally the European Union is starving kids”? I’m going to need some information about how the European Union is in charge of Germany for blocking someone’s bank account and how they are starving kids “literally”.
What seemingly has happened is terrible, and you are a bit misguided on the “the mother should be able to plan ahead”, but they are not being tortured, they are not imprisoned without food… They shouldn’t have to go through this but they have options and alternatives, even if it is going to charities, food banks or else. The whole idea implied that the EU is forcibly starving some kids is crazy and makes me have real trust issues here with how this is “reported”. Unfortunately I have no issues either thinking that this is being used as coercion or censoring by threatening the family of an unruly reporter. I hope this gets properly investigated and hopefully the wronged parties get compensation but the amount of people here falling for the ragebait or just pushing for it is terrible. I’ll have to loom for some sources to understand better the situation, if it is as represented in the post, this needs to go widely known.
OK there’s now a link in the post, unfortunately to x but it will have to do for now. It is posted by Dogru’s account too, so clearly it will show his point of view. But he does seem a lot more sensible than this post was:
“The federal government and its institutions have systematically selected us as a target: first me, then my wife, and now our toddlers and infants are affected. This decision deliberately endangers the welfare and health of our children,” he says. He argues that this contradicts not only international law, but also the German Basic Law, which guarantees the protection of children’s welfare.
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“The aim of these measures is to break me and my family. The authorities are going so far as to knowingly endanger the health and well-being of infants,” says Doğru. “A possible next stage of escalation could consist of taking our children away from us—based on a situation created by the authorities themselves.”
As for the topic in this post, as bad as it is for Dogru and his family, they are still allowed to use some money it seems, just not enough for everything:
Although the German Federal Bank had allowed the journalist to use 506 euros per month for basic needs, according to the court payments beyond that amount were not covered.
There’s definitely a worse part on all this:
The lawyer said that his client is not permitted to receive monetary donations and is also not allowed to accept food assistance. When asked whether a neighbor could already make himself liable to prosecution by bringing Doğru bread, Gorski answered:
“Yes, the neighbor would theoretically make himself liable to prosecution.”
What the fuck is that about… How does that make any fucking sense. Now, that pisses me off to no end.
Fortunately there seems to be a lot more movement on this than it seemed implied at first. I hope their family manage to solve this and fast and those assholes that started this get to pay ten fold.
It’s absolutely coercion, and it’s something that we have to be ready for as a group. Right or wrong, it doesn’t help the mom and kids to decry these kinds of abuses. Creating the structure that robs governments of this power to coerce their citizens will help, if that’s child care or other direct action.
I’m going to need some information about how the European Union is in charge of Germany for blocking someone’s bank account and how they are starving kids “literally”.
The EU sanctioned this journalist and his wife denying them access to any of their accounts. Germany complies with and enforces the EU sanctions. This was done entirely without trial and there is no legal recourse for the victims of this atrocity. They literally cannot buy food for their children because they cannot buy anything if they aren’t allowed to access their accounts. They are also forbidden from receiving money or services from anyone, under threat of the same sanctions being applied to anyone who offers them help.
but they are not being tortured, they are not imprisoned without food…
Except they are. If you have no money you cannot buy food. They are also not allowed to travel outside of the country to where they would not be subject to these sanctions. They are effectively imprisoned in a country where they are not allowed access to their own money.
They shouldn’t have to go through this but they have options and alternatives, even if it is going to charities, food banks or else.
Which part of “anyone who helps them by giving them money, goods or services makes themselves guilty of violating sanctions and will be sanctioned themselves” do you not understand? How do you think his wife came to be sanctioned? He was sanctioned for journalism and she was sanctioned for “helping him circumvent the sanctions”, aka paying bills that he could no longer pay because of sanctions.
The whole idea implied that the EU is forcibly starving some kids is crazy and makes me have real trust issues here with how this is “reported”.
That’s because you are operating on false assumptions and have not actually looked into how these sanctions work. They are now under threat of becoming homeless and being unable to feed their children because they are not allowed to receive or spend money! Including for rent. The only option for their children to not end up on the streets starving is for the children to be taken away by the government. Do you support taking away people’s children as punishment for journalism?
I hope this gets properly investigated and hopefully the wronged parties get compensation but the amount of people here falling for the ragebait or just pushing for it is terrible.
Investigated by who? The German state has made it clear that it considers these sanctions valid and will enforce them. Who is going to investigate the EU? What court are they supposed to appeal to when these sanctions are by definition extra-judicial? They were sanctioned without ever being tried in court for any crime and their own government says that’s ok. Nothing about this is ragebait. If you don’t feel rage at this atrocity there is something wrong with your moral compass.
Really? Starving children? Their bank accounts were seized, they weren’t imprisoned. The mother should be able to plan ahead for some days.
Honestly this kind of catastrophizing makes it difficult to understand what the actual issue is, which is a journalist is being sanctioned for being critical of their government
How far are they supposed to plan ahead, a year?
He can’t buy food for his kids.
Ahead enough to figure out a care plan for their children?
Ahead enough of what? Should we have contingency plans in case the EU one day out of the blue decides to sanction us??? How far ahead should we be planning? Stock up for a year? How should we pay rent, utilities, health insurance etc with no bank account?
If you have kids, yeah you should have a contingency plan for their care if you aren’t capable of providing for them.
Right, but what if I am able to provide for them but then the EU decides to seize my and my wifes accounts leaving us high and dry?
I guess if you’ve done nothing and you are all out of ideas, great, you’re fucked.
completely my fault lol
How do you have a contingency plan for having all of your money taken away???
So you’re saying he shouldn’t have covered the genocide in Gaza, or that he should have put money in his mattress, and it’s his fault his children are now at risk, rather than the system that decided to sanction him over his coverage of Gaza?
No. He’s provided an invaluable service to the rest of us. Ideally someone is his community offer to care for the children while his wife disentangles herself from the sanctions. He knew since last year he was being sanctioned, it’s not responsible to forgoe a contingency plan for his loved ones.
This shouldn’t have been a surprise, and it should be a wake-up call for other journalists to create these sort of contingency plans.
Bro the contingency was his wife had money and could shoulder the burden for a little while. Then they froze all of her assets too. You know, the person NOT under sanctions for covering isreals ethnic cleansing.
TF is wrong with you?
“Just figure it out, dummy”
We should all have a plan in place in case our bank accounts are illegally seized I have my money buried in a secret location in the woods nearby
Both are issues, actual, as in they are actually happening (the sanction and therefore the unability to provide for the children)
On the one hand I agree, what is this “quite literally the European Union is starving kids”? I’m going to need some information about how the European Union is in charge of Germany for blocking someone’s bank account and how they are starving kids “literally”.
What seemingly has happened is terrible, and you are a bit misguided on the “the mother should be able to plan ahead”, but they are not being tortured, they are not imprisoned without food… They shouldn’t have to go through this but they have options and alternatives, even if it is going to charities, food banks or else. The whole idea implied that the EU is forcibly starving some kids is crazy and makes me have real trust issues here with how this is “reported”. Unfortunately I have no issues either thinking that this is being used as coercion or censoring by threatening the family of an unruly reporter. I hope this gets properly investigated and hopefully the wronged parties get compensation but the amount of people here falling for the ragebait or just pushing for it is terrible. I’ll have to loom for some sources to understand better the situation, if it is as represented in the post, this needs to go widely known.
OK there’s now a link in the post, unfortunately to x but it will have to do for now. It is posted by Dogru’s account too, so clearly it will show his point of view. But he does seem a lot more sensible than this post was:
As for the topic in this post, as bad as it is for Dogru and his family, they are still allowed to use some money it seems, just not enough for everything:
There’s definitely a worse part on all this:
What the fuck is that about… How does that make any fucking sense. Now, that pisses me off to no end.
Fortunately there seems to be a lot more movement on this than it seemed implied at first. I hope their family manage to solve this and fast and those assholes that started this get to pay ten fold.
It’s absolutely coercion, and it’s something that we have to be ready for as a group. Right or wrong, it doesn’t help the mom and kids to decry these kinds of abuses. Creating the structure that robs governments of this power to coerce their citizens will help, if that’s child care or other direct action.
The EU sanctioned this journalist and his wife denying them access to any of their accounts. Germany complies with and enforces the EU sanctions. This was done entirely without trial and there is no legal recourse for the victims of this atrocity. They literally cannot buy food for their children because they cannot buy anything if they aren’t allowed to access their accounts. They are also forbidden from receiving money or services from anyone, under threat of the same sanctions being applied to anyone who offers them help.
Except they are. If you have no money you cannot buy food. They are also not allowed to travel outside of the country to where they would not be subject to these sanctions. They are effectively imprisoned in a country where they are not allowed access to their own money.
Which part of “anyone who helps them by giving them money, goods or services makes themselves guilty of violating sanctions and will be sanctioned themselves” do you not understand? How do you think his wife came to be sanctioned? He was sanctioned for journalism and she was sanctioned for “helping him circumvent the sanctions”, aka paying bills that he could no longer pay because of sanctions.
That’s because you are operating on false assumptions and have not actually looked into how these sanctions work. They are now under threat of becoming homeless and being unable to feed their children because they are not allowed to receive or spend money! Including for rent. The only option for their children to not end up on the streets starving is for the children to be taken away by the government. Do you support taking away people’s children as punishment for journalism?
Investigated by who? The German state has made it clear that it considers these sanctions valid and will enforce them. Who is going to investigate the EU? What court are they supposed to appeal to when these sanctions are by definition extra-judicial? They were sanctioned without ever being tried in court for any crime and their own government says that’s ok. Nothing about this is ragebait. If you don’t feel rage at this atrocity there is something wrong with your moral compass.