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    Isn’t it weird that I can’t find any western media outlets reporting this? Super weird right, I just can’t figure out why.

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    A notorious, convicted terrorist said Palestine should resist by any means necessary.

    That was Nelson Mandela

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    the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

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    Hamas responded

    BREAKING: HAMAS OFFICIAL STATEMENT

    We appreciate the position expressed by the People’s Republic of China, during the public hearings held by the International Court of Justice, on the legal consequences of the occupation policies in the Palestinian Territory, and its affirmation of the legality of the occupied peoples’ pursuit of self-determination, by various means, including armed resistance, and the necessity not to confuse terrorism with And the armed struggle practiced by the Palestinian people against the Zionist occupation.

    We also value the positions of the countries participating in the sessions, which confirmed the widespread violations of international law practiced by the terrorist occupation entity against the Palestinian people and their occupied land, including massacres and genocide in the Gaza Strip, violations, killing, and expansion of settlement in the West Bank and Jerusalem, and work to bring about demographic changes in the Palestinian land. It aims to Judaize her and tamper with her identity.

    The terrorist occupation government’s boycott of the court sessions confirms once again its disregard for international institutions, and its policy of turning its back on international resolutions and commitments, which requires a clear position from the international community to end the rogue Zionist occupation, and to stop all its violations and crimes against our Palestinian people.

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    cannot be equated with terrorism

    The only terrorists here are the “israeli” militants.

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      love how that guy who climbed the fence and got shot by his own guys on the walk back wasn’t considered a terrorist by the media despite 1) being a lone wolf and 2) not operating as part of an authorised military action. I suppose that latter point is because all Israeli’s take part in an authorised military action as an occupying force every second of every day.

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        Cuz words like that are usually used for countries, while “israel” is just a western colony in Palestine.

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          I mean, Jewish people originally heralded from around the eastern Mediterranean, middle east? That would make them historically middle eastern rather than western. Or are we strictly talking about western powers giving the Jewish people a ‘homeland’ after the second world war and the holocaust?

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            It’s a project overwhelmingly lead by western states that has resulted in a huge importing of people who were born and raised in western states pretending they are indigenous to the region. If not for the west, Israel would neither have the resources to maintain its colonial project nor the population needed for occupying Palestine.

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            Can I just lay claim to random pieces of land in Africa? I mean all people came from there at one point right?

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            I declare all of Sweden a homeland for the oppressed Stalinists (I have an incredibly remote connection to Norse settlers along with almost everyone else in my country)

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            Let’s set aside the multiple issues with “I think one of my distant ancestors lived here 2000 years ago, or maybe just other members of my religious group, therefore I have a right to live here today” and assume that yes, that sort of historical/ancestral claim gives comtemporary Jewish people a right to live in Palestine. Even in the most generous light imaginable, it would not give them a right to build an ethnostate by committing genocide on the current inhabitants. Israel is so far past anything that could be reasonably granted from ancient Jews living in Palestine that there is no possible defense along those lines.

            Or are we strictly talking about western powers giving the Jewish people a ‘homeland’ after the second world war and the holocaust?

            Yes, that’s what people mean when they refer to Israel as a colony of Europe/the U.S.

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              The giant gaping hole in calling Israel a “western colony” is that it has no homeland. It’s not a British colony, or a French colony, or a colony of any other country. If Israel as a country stops existing, the vast majority of its citizens don’t have citizenship in any other country and have literally nowhere else to go. Therefore it’s not a colony and it’s not colonialism, it’s an independent country.

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                You know that many Israelis did come from anglosphere or now-EU states, right? It’s not like it’s just a new social formation of people who already lived in the region.

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                Sure I was born in Britain with British citizenship, but I identify as Middle Eastern so I should be granted somebody else’s land where they are currently living.

                These people should be blasted into fucking space if they need a homeland so badly. Zionism cannot even exist without the antisemitic belief in a fifth column. Are Jews an alien element in Western society, or do they belong to the societies in which they were born?

                I will tell you this: Middle Eastern people do not eat schnitzel.

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                When the British expelled criminals to Australia they couldn’t return home. Was Australia not a colony? A ton of European immigrants to the American colonies intended their journeys to be one-way trips, and were functionally barred from returning by cost. Does that mean there were no colonies in the Americas?

                Besides, throughout history you almost never see settlers leaving en masse when colonial administrations end. Sure, some recent arrivees may turn around, and some administrators who moved there mostly to work in the colonial government may leave, but you really never see the main body of settlers leave. You didn’t even have this in South Africa. They simply have to live under a government where they can’t shoot the locals with impunity.

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                  That doesn’t really address the point though… Israel is independent, and was so from the start. It’s not bound to any other western country’s rule, which is the first requirement for being a colony.

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    I love that the generic lib response to this is to engage in Whataboutism regarding Tibet, Xinjiang, and Taiwan. If you see someone doing this, remember to ask them how many countries recognize Palestine as a state versus any of those other places.

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      Really weird that libs continue to hang into any sentiment regarding Tibet when the Dalai Lama literally just tried to get a child to suck on his tongue in public just last year.

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        Even before he lost all credibility, the Dalai Lama said he would drop independence and pursue autonomy for Tibet as a part of China.

        All this is ignoring the wide popular support by Tibetan serfs for overthrowing their Lama masters in the first place.

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          It was only recently that I learned China took over Tibet in the 1700s. You would think it happened a decade ago the way people talk about it.

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            Yeah, China has a stronger claim over Tibet than the US over its entire territory.

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      Also its beyond meaningless when you consider that at most idk 3% of the population of Xinjiang and 1% in Tibet is considering themselves to be occupied by China and are remotely likely to participate or aid in an armed struggle against the CPC, even at the best possible conditions

      Like sure, Tibetians have a right to engage in an armed anti-colonial struggle or kickstart an indeginous liberation movement ok. You probably couldnt even fill an NBA stadium with those willing so what does that leave their lib free Tibet dreams. The CIA was trying to recruit and instigate an anti-chinese sessesionist movement last century and they gave up because they couldnt find enough willing Tibetians to get the project off the ground. And they had a budget of dozens and dozens of millions to pay off poor ass Tibetians and they still couldnt find any fertile sessesionist sentiment. And thats on record

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    I thought China was on team Israel. Or maybe I’m confused because they’re helping Russia, and Russia is on team Israel? International politics is weird sometimes.

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      For decades China’s policy has been team territorial integrity (ie borders were set in 1948, and people shouldn’t talk about them). Previously this meant supporting the 1967 borders. Their current position is still consistent with this (Israel still occupies the west bank), and has the added bonus of improving relations in the region which China has already invested a good deal in (see belt and road initiative)

      Honestly this is one of the more straightforward cases of geopolitics, shit like the Nigerian Civil war however…

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    I was wondering why so many comments with any criticism against China were being downvoted.

    Then I noticed which instance this was posted on.

    And then all those comments were removed by mods. Which only proved their points.

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      Welcome to Lemmy. It’s not quite as full of imperial core propaganda about everything that challenges its imperialism as Reddit is.

      Well, maybe except LW. Saw someone with a zionazi flag in their username there once.

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          violate human rights

          Source: The countries actually violating human rights with every incentive to throw bs accusations at their geopolitical rivals.

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              I clearly wouldn’t want to listen to the US governments position on Israel, why should China be any different?

              Why not? The only countries accusing China of whatever they can are imperial core ones.

              surprised they allow tankies here

              Ah, the “woke” for leftists. Meaningless term, but it does sound cool ig

              Surprised they allow libs here.