• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    15 days ago

    First question is, massive sell off to whom? Second, it’s obviously going to have a have a huge impact on our own economy. It’s not going to hurt them more because the US is a much bigger economy than us. Can you show me a historical instance of this sort of threat actually working in practice?

    If this gave any actual leverage then China would be keeping their bonds instead of doing a fire sale right now. The only countries buying up US bonds are the ones that are under the US thumb right now.

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      15 days ago

      First question is, massive sell off to whom?

      Any bonds that are at their due date are required to be paid out by the US treasury.

      Most holders of US bonds have a revolving collection of them, so some are coming due on a regular and continual basis.

      Admittedly, that’s not a mass sell-off, but it still puts pressure on the US if everyone starts doing it .

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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        15 days ago

        Sure, if everybody started dumping US assets in a coordinated fashion that would hurt the US, we both know is not going to happen though. So, in reality Canada is simply making itself more dependent on the US. There’s no need to do mental gymnastics to pretend that this is some 4D chess.

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          14 days ago

          in reality Canada is simply making itself more dependent on the US.

          And doing so in a relatively carefully manner so as not to hurt ourselves unnecessarily.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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            14 days ago

            Making ourselves more dependent on a hostile power is precisely what’s hurting us unnecessarily. Incredible that people can’t seem to understand this.

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              14 days ago

              So what’s your point here?

              IIT you are both arguing it’s bad Canada held onto these investments while saying Canada cannot actually dump them without hurting itself

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                14 days ago

                No, I’m saying Canada should not have continued increasing investments, which is what we did, and we should have been dumping them instead. And the sooner we start doing that the less pain we will be in long term. Let me know if any of that is still unclear to you.

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                  14 days ago

                  Hmmm looks like Canada has increased that investment for the last 4-5 years. Without this year’s report, it’s hard to see if we still kept that 4-5 year old strategy going or not.

                  Keep in mind that, until the Orange Pedophile’s second term (so early last year), Canada was only paying lip service to moving away from the USA

                  And yes, you are talking on both sides of your mouth… here you tell me this:

                  and we should have been dumping them instead

                  While responding to another person about the exact same “dump” strategy:

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          15 days ago

          I don’t pretend to know anything about international finance. I’m repeating what I’ve heard.

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            14 days ago

            It’s also worth thinking about what you hear as well. People say all kinds of things, and a lot of time it’s just nonsense. As I pointed out, if holding US debt gave any actual leverage, then China would be doing that instead of selling it off now.