I don’t want to go on a rant, but every time we say we’ve changed since the 60’/70’s/80’s/etc I ask okay, did the perpetrators of crimes back then be made to pay for their crimes? How can we say we’ve changed if we allow people who committed those crimes to walk scot free? This extends even to crimes committed against foreign nations; if we don’t prosecute the guilty, how can we say we changed? It’s just making excuses and protecting the guilty.
Now it’s all coming home to roost.
If you want to close the chapter on this crime or that, you must prosecute the guilty, or else you create the conditions like today where people shrug their shoulders and go on with their lives. The Iraq war was a crime, was anyone in government taken to court for it? The boarding schools for indigenous people was a crime, did anyone get taken to court for it? The experimentations on people was a crime, did anyone get taken to court for it? Bush Senior’s response to shooting down an Iranian passenger jet and murdering people was “I’m not an apologize for America kind of guy”, and LIBS were defending him when he died. On and on.
We don’t have a culture of holding politicians to account, and now when it’s a politician we all hate, we feel it. We spent decades saying “that was in the past” and now we’re seeing what that actually means.
do most americans believe that their ruling class ever gave a shit about them ?
Seems like a lot of Americans genuinely believe they live in a democracy.
Worse, it’s the Temporarily embarrassed billionaire -Most Americans think they are or will one day be apart of the top 10% of the top 1%. They don’t get that upward socioeconomic mobility has stalled out in the past twenty years.
Yeah there’s a lot of that going on too.
I know so many people like this. No self awareness. And they think they are geniuses because they read edgelord Facebook news.
people thought communists and communist adjacent people were loonies for believing that the liberal democracies were oligarchies masqueraded as democracies, so yes Americans actually believed it.
Seriously, I think they have a huge sense of entitlement but can’t understand they’ve done nothing to earn it. Culturally they get bombarded with USA USA USA is number one. They high five themselves and then stop looking at the world, news. They font notice Asia working hard to improve their economies, quality life, education, inventing tech or mastering existing tech. Their parents had a good life so they should too. Not realizing the boomers prospered because the rest of the world had been bombed to shit in WW2, while the US economy never lost a building. Well Europe rebuilt, communism died, China settled their internal issues (mostly) and they all are building new things. While american investors look for more return on their investments. That USA USA chant was the wool being pulled over their eyes
Communism didn’t die when the current strongest nation in the world, China, is a socialist nation, something the Soviet Union never achieved and we’re watching it getting stronger by the day.
The only thing that’s stopping communism from being spread out to the rest of the world is that the US via it’s allies (mostly Republican Chinese) still leads in tech.
At this point its just pathetic. And frustrating to watch.
Are americans waking up and smelling the shit in their bed?
Unfortunately, I expect nothing to come from this and americans to continue not learning their lesson.
Its up to you.
Problem is, they’ll blame it all on trump and foreign influence. Russian, Israeli, doesn’t matter. It’ll just be “bad actors”, not “terrible system”
I think a lot of it comes down to the foundational mythology of the US. The whole shining city on a hill, the idea of American exceptionalism, and the reverence for the Constitution are all designed to cultivate the belief that the US is the Platonic ideal of human society, and that nothing better is possible.
So when people see the social contract start to fray, their gut reaction isn’t to question the system itself. Instead, they look for nefarious outside agents who are trying to undermine the perfect society the US is supposed to be. That’s why the narrative of Trump being a Russian puppet was so popular. It’s easier for people to accept that he’s an agent of a hostile nation hellbent on destroying America out of envy, than to see him for what he is: an opportunist who is a direct product of the system unraveling from within.
Israel government is genocidal and pedophile?
yes. next question.
I assure you that many Americans realized that we live in plutocracy as far as ten years ago starting with Trump’s first presidency. I think what many people in general are not aware of is that there is a difference between government and state, that they are separate, and the state protects class interests (aka the Epstein/pedo class). Unless of course some one in government decides to go against their interests. Which is why sudden deaths and assassinations happen at all. Congressmen in our government can absolutely try to get Bondi arrested and tried, but the state could and will try to protect her unless Trump decides otherwise or the state still finds her useful.
Lack of class analysis is really the key problem in my opinion. People just reduce politics to voting, and think that as long as they’re allowed to vote then if things aren’t going their way it’s their fault. This whole narrative that you just have to vote harder if you don’t get what you want was an incredibly insidious bit of propaganda.
There is a lack of class analysis among normal American citizens because of the work of the three branches of the U.S. government and state. The state actually works with mainstream news platforms, so they are at fault for that in particular. What you have just explained is exactly the work of both these things. However, there are a lot of academics such as Michael Parenti (who unfortunately died recently) who have talked about this extensively for many decades, and there are many left political commentary from from leftist creators online such as Kyle Kulinksi on YouTube. Many people are having the conversations, it’s just whether or not the other people are willing to let go of the narrative they been fed this whole time to have us moving in the right direction at a faster rate.
Yeah it’s going to be a process. The dynamic I see is that people in the mainstream are becoming disillusioned as they see their standard of living continuing to decline while also watching the elites being completely unaccountable. As they fall out of the liberal mainstream, they become open to entertaining new ideas, and that’s where people on the left have to step in to help guide their understanding.
I absolutely agree with you on that. Although I see many of them are choosing to be super stubborn about it again spreading the ‘vote blue no matter who’ bullshit again. Already, before the primaries. I am so exhausted over it already.
Liberals are basically a cult at this point.
It’s a big club and you ain’t in it!
I went on Gab recently to see what the reaction was regarding the Epstein files, and calls for Trump to be executed was not what I was expecting. And r/conservative doesn’t give a shit but thinks Trump is an idiot for other reasons. Also seeing an influx of people who previously supported Trump but are stepping back after the ICE shooting and constitutional violations. So not sure who likes him at this point; he might actually manage to beat Biden in being unpopular.
It’s kind of sad how even the far right holds their leaders to a higher standards than libs do with theirs. Liberals are truly a cult at this point.
I bet that’s why Gallup isn’t doing approval numbers anymore - the numbers they were getting were so bad that they knew it would provoke backlash from Trump.
