I really want someone to do a deeper analysis of snopes and politifact. I know FAIR and citations needed have criticized them, but I would love a deeper dive into that stuff. Cause there is something truly dystopian about them
The “half-true” laundering is bigger with Politifact than with Snopes I think.
The Media Bias/Fact Check thing goes way beyond that. The methodic and dataset is made up by a random guy but is uncritically adopted by university researchers. So there is now entire field of study based on one guys sense of vibes.
Yeah that’s why I want deep dives. The entire system of fact checking is a propaganda coup de grace. Western journalism at its core is deeply fucked, and so hard to critique in its totality because it reinforces itself. Any opposition is “fake news” or conspiracy theories.
The malice is in the worldview they are regurgitating. Creating this idea of objective untouchable journalism means every story that really matters, that they or their peers fuck up or skew is protected from criticism. So something like snopes backs up something like politifact which reinforces NYT, which regurgitates the state dept. The whole field is arrayed to lend itself credence and make us look insane.
That’s not how western propaganda works. They do not all follow the exact same line of thinking every time. That’s why it works. You let some variance exist, you create a self-reinforcing system in which no one consciously thinks they are lying or obfuscating, but all stick to certain parameters. Its a deluge, not a trickle of approved information. Like with Assange they eventually started saying “hey this is bad, don’t do this”, but after they either stayed silent, hide the importance of his revelations, or did the damage to him themselves.
The machine does not need them to be in lock-step, in fact that HURTS the propaganda model. Snopes reinforces the NYT line by treating objective journalism as possible let alone the norm. It does not have to have the same prescriptions as NYT to do that. Also Zionists get mad at everything
I really want someone to do a deeper analysis of snopes and politifact. I know FAIR and citations needed have criticized them, but I would love a deeper dive into that stuff. Cause there is something truly dystopian about them
edit: did find this great effort post https://hexbear.net/post/3784740
The “half-true” laundering is bigger with Politifact than with Snopes I think.
The Media Bias/Fact Check thing goes way beyond that. The methodic and dataset is made up by a random guy but is uncritically adopted by university researchers. So there is now entire field of study based on one guys sense of vibes.
Yeah that’s why I want deep dives. The entire system of fact checking is a propaganda coup de grace. Western journalism at its core is deeply fucked, and so hard to critique in its totality because it reinforces itself. Any opposition is “fake news” or conspiracy theories.
The media bias research seems more, deeply unserious and fundamentally flawed rather than malicious to me.
Fact checking has the problem that it’s annoying as fuck on top of all. I don’t think that Snopes is actually all that evil.
PolitiFact seems a lot more clearly biased. Billionaire funded too.
The malice is in the worldview they are regurgitating. Creating this idea of objective untouchable journalism means every story that really matters, that they or their peers fuck up or skew is protected from criticism. So something like snopes backs up something like politifact which reinforces NYT, which regurgitates the state dept. The whole field is arrayed to lend itself credence and make us look insane.
I really don’t spend enough time on snopes to say how much of that is going on.
I never use snopes, I don’t think its specific quality matters much. Its the institutional legitimacy and the rhetoric that matters
One memorable snopes moment in the last years was Zionists getting mad at them for how they covered South Africa’s Genocide case against Israel.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/01/22/israel-hamas-what-is-genocide/
I don’t think that’s NYT/state department line.
That’s not how western propaganda works. They do not all follow the exact same line of thinking every time. That’s why it works. You let some variance exist, you create a self-reinforcing system in which no one consciously thinks they are lying or obfuscating, but all stick to certain parameters. Its a deluge, not a trickle of approved information. Like with Assange they eventually started saying “hey this is bad, don’t do this”, but after they either stayed silent, hide the importance of his revelations, or did the damage to him themselves.
The machine does not need them to be in lock-step, in fact that HURTS the propaganda model. Snopes reinforces the NYT line by treating objective journalism as possible let alone the norm. It does not have to have the same prescriptions as NYT to do that. Also Zionists get mad at everything