the handshake meme, on one side liberals talking about Ukraine. on the other, conservatives talking about a mass shooter. the handshake “that swastika tattoo doesn’t necessarily mean he was a Nazi”

    • crediblethreatOPEnglish
      91·
      2 months ago

      right. and the azov battalion are committed fascists

    • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
      71·
      2 months ago

      Does this meme imply otherwise? /gen

      I don’t see anything denying that Russia itself doesn’t have a fascist infestation, just points to western hypocrisy as far as I understand it

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        13·
        2 months ago

        Not defending western hypocrisy in general, but I support self-determination over military invasions. Most imperialist adventures were justified by claiming that the invaded nation was somehow bad enough to deserve it and it has always been bullshit.

        • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
          81·
          2 months ago

          I don’t disagree with you, it’s just that enthusiastic liberals love to gloss over issues like relatively widespread corruption and fascist elements in Ukraine. Also Ukraine doesn’t have a white west in terms of war crimes either (Amnesty International reported on that IIRC).
          What I mean to say is: uncritical, blind support is a big blunder IMO

          Most imperialist adventures were justified by claiming that the invaded nation was somehow bad enough to deserve it and it has always been bullshit.

          Exactly, it’s basically what I said in my other comment.

  • astropenguin5@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17·
    2 months ago

    What is the liberals talking about Ukraine part in reference to? Tbh I haven’t really seen much of either libs defending any potential Nazis in Ukraine, or much discission of Ukraine having a back problem since relatively early in war with the azov battalion and Russia claiming they were fighting Nazis

  • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
    171·
    2 months ago

    I agree to the extent that Ukraine has a problem with fascists, but disagree to the extent that the bonapartist RF uses it as a legitimisation of their fraternal war