I don’t expect this to play particularly well here, and maybe I’m just being conspiratorial, but here goes:
I banned jordanlund@lemmy.world from !transgender@lemmy.blahajzone earlier today- he literally posted a matt walsh youtube link and was being otherwise transphobic in a space where that gets you banned. (link)
one of jordanlunds removed comments w/ matt walsh video:
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the reason I put down was ‘trolling about neopronouns’ I stand by that, it was violating instance rules and was unacceptable behavior from a moderator of another instance.
Shortly after that I got banned from news@lemmy.world for ‘trolling’. To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
The .world thread in question (link)
I was expressing my actual opinion/position on this, if anything the post I was replying to should be considered a rule 1 violation implying leftists are russian/under russian sway:
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The removed comments that I was banned (permanent) for were just me being earnest about my position, which you’re welcome to disagree with.
I don’t view protecting my rights as something worth sacrificing other people for, even if they’re on the other side of the planet. You can be mad at me or hate me for that, but I’m not trolling.
People replying felt it was reasonable to call me an idiot for example, yet another example of selective moderation. on .world.
I don’t have any conclusive proof that my banning Jordanlund and then getting banned are related other than the suspicious timing, I welcome clarification.
Anyway in the interest of neutrality and transparency I submit both my ban and jordanlunds for review.
Every other instance should defederate from .world. Neoliberal fascism is no better than regular fascism.
Since when are they neoliberal? I encounter more bleeding heart progressives on that instance than anywhere else. Sorry they don’t pass your purity test but they sure as fuck hate fascists.
Edit: ohhhh haha, I just checked your instance. Yea no wonder they aren’t leftie enough for you, go home tankie 👋
Hello red scare. It’s getting tiring.
You’re a lot of things, but not scary.
Okay I guess? I never wanted to be scary lol
I think you do, you want peoples disgust of you to be dismissed as irrational. But it has nothing to do with “red scare”, it’s just that you are really, really gross.
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there? They cooperate with one another, so if you cross one you cross both.
But yeah, doesn’t surprise me. Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there?
One will bait, then other will ban to maintain the image of propriety
Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
That stuff was wild
I just want to add that it seems to me that about 90% of people accused of trolling on here do not themselves think they are trolling. Something to ponder.
Everybody is the good guy in their own story.
I think this is a related factor but not quite what I’m getting at here.
My understanding of trolling is that it is a deliberate attempt to trigger negative emotional responses and cause trouble. So users should have a good sense of whether they are or are not engaged in trolling.
So either:
A: They are lying about their intentions. B: The community and mods are ascribing ill intentions where there are none. Or C: Different people are using conflicting definitions of trolling.
While A might seem the obvious answer, I think it’s actually far less common than people think. When I go through the histories of people accused of trolling I rarely see clear evidence of it. It’s usually just a person who has a tendency to respond angrily to people they disagree with, or who has a particularly strong disagreement with the community on a particular issue that they feel passionately about.
So I usually chock these cases up to B, and I think this case is a pretty clear example. However I’d also be curious to know if C is at play here, so if you think there is another definition of trolling that differs from mine, please share it.
That checks out for Jordanlund and Lemmy.world, unsurprising and still sad.
Yeah jordanlund do be doing that.
PTB. I think you are correct in both cases.
Interesting case. Not giving any opinion right now, but as always, !world@quokk.au is an alternative to the LW one.
Really unsurprising considering it involved Israel. News mods usually bend over backwards like the r/worldnews to remove anything slightly critical. Especially when it’s calling out hasbara
To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
Just something else I found recently
I was the one that submitted the ban, after a number of reports. On the face of it (I am at work, so don’t always have time to deep dive), The reports did seem to align with trolling.
I had/have no idea what’s going on withe the Jordan Lund thing.
World is an absolute cancer on Lemmy, its filled with ShitLibs who hold on to their Reddit mentality. If Blahaj defederated from world absolutely nothing of value would be lost.
Anyone who uses the term “shitlib” tend to trend towards trump supporter level of dumbass I’ve noticed
If we’re assuming it was a retaliation ban- The powers that be at lemmy.world would be wise to nip this type of thing in the bud now and replace those actively working to deceive and lash out at others from their team.
Eventually people will stop giving the owners/admins the benefit of the doubt when controversial things like this happen. What happens then? The time/money/resources are being thrown away to enable a few people’s egos and eventually the users will tire of it and abandon ship. It seems like we’re drawing closer to that every day.
One way or another the true colors will always come out. Interesting times ahead.
They will not do this because their overriding motivators are purifying the instance of any dissenting thought, it’s basically reddit. The anticommunist propaganda is so deeply rooted in the anglo psyche that they will basically do the feds work for them without even thinking about it.
I gotta kinda hand it to db0 mods for staying federated after we banned all their mods lol
I’m increasingly of the opinion that owners at L.W don’t know what they want it to be. The lack of direction manifests as wild moderation and shitty user behavior fairly often and people are tiring of it.
Instead of being able to provide stability and guidance when controversial things come up they attempt to play both sides or ignore the issues pretty often. They don’t want to lose their stranglehold on a huge chunk of users so they don’t want to discipline the people who are already there, mod or otherwise. From the fact checking bot to their promotion and acceptance of bad faith arguments it seems pretty clear that nothing there can be trusted IMO. It’s a recipe for disaster and we’re seeing the early symptoms of it.
There is probably time to turn things around but it requires making difficult decisions and shouldering responsibility for the mistakes of the past while addressing them for the future. I don’t see it happening.
A great time to tell people to migrate to other instances. Obviously I am biased but Hexbear is not only the best instance but the second most active after .world, just sayin.
Jump in the deep end, we don’t bite unless you’re a fascist, terf, or smug reddit lib
I suspect the slander from other places like L.W will keep a lot of people away from hexbear.
FWIW I don’t believe the future of the fediverse is large instances anyway. A few larger ones will likely make it as the “default” landing zones for people first discovering the tech. I think the larger instances will continue to suffer from users who insist they have a right to act like assholes just because they have an account, and most of the instances seem fine with this if it means their engagement is up. The larger they become the more the problem snowballs as it becomes harder and harder to keep up with the expanding membership.
There are a few that are putting in the work required to maintain civility, like db0. For most of the others it’s a race to the bottom just like capitalism because that’s all they’re capable of seeing.
Gotta sort of hand it to db0 mods. We banned them all but they stayed federated lol
As to the point about large instances we are not interested in growth at all costs, just in trying to provide a welcoming place for marginalized comrades.
PTB. Throwing a fit because you pointed out their blatant transphobia
I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion. Reading through that whole comment thread there was nothing you said that came across as trolling. Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump, or believe voting is the most important and only way to change anything. I get closer to just blocking world entirely every day tbh.
.world thinks if you give reasoned arguments, reputable sources, and have a logical criticism of a liberal, you’re actually just a Russian bot, China shill, trump stan, or whatever it is this week.
Being morally consistent is a negative to them and must be punished.
I love how being a liberal is looked down on for some reason.
“For some reason.”
That’s what my previous comment said.
We’re trying to make the world a better and more peaceful place instead of just sitting out votes.
I voted in 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024, every year I was legally able to vote, I even registered early when I was 17 in California. I can gladly give you proof I voted in every election I can because my state has ballot tracking.
And is it a better and more peaceful place when liberal status quo protects the companies that socially murder its citizens? Punishment of shoplifting is accepted more than trying to arrest Trump and the Jan 6 attackers? Cops can beat up protestors but not protect families from being evicted by greedy landlords?
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”
Liberals haven’t pushed for the rights of my kind. Liberals defend oppressing my kind because it was normal to hate queer people until recently. Liberal politicians didn’t push for legalization unless it was good for polling numbers. But they gladly sat with their ass on their hands while cops arrested and killed queer people for being happy with themselves.
And I would get into how liberals didn’t push for women’s rights, breaking segregation, ending wars, ending slavery, but I’m not someone who was targeted by them. Liberals don’t stand for what’s right, just what’s currently accepted.
It’s the party of the status quo, even if the status quo includes elements of fascism and oligarchy.
Liberals will soon whitewash Trump, like they whitewashed Bush and his crimes and violations of the constitution.
All the points you bring up are going to get worse because Trump is in power.
“But trump” - The only point liberals have
Well, I certainly didn’t sit out. I voted.
I just didn’t vote for the person .world wanted me to vote for. :)
Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump,
Exactly!
I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion
They’ll actually form packs of downvoters to team up and track you to downvote. I’d get downvoted in .world, then every single post after that, even my non-political/non-controversial ones would get massively downvoted.
One guy even wrote a program tracking me, then publicly offered it to others to track and downvote me. (thanks @pooperNickel@lemm.ee)
All because I voted third party in the election!! lolololol
Please don’t do this. You pinged this person here who immediately went all over the thread arguing with people and escalating discussions.
Why the fuck do you keep tagging me? You’re obsessed
I actually chuckled when I saw this because I have had you tagged as “UM obsessed”. You guys are a cute couple!
I’m doesn’t matter anymore. Across the world, trump simps like UM were shielded and the propaganda did its job. And now we’re fucked. Enjoy your chuckle about it
Meh, I didn’t vote for Trump. So don’t blame his election on me, friend. Thanks!
Yes you did liar. Can you tell mom to bring you some napkins?
Nah, I didn’t. I voted third party. Remember? That’s why you were so mad and bragged about writing a program to track me.
