Alright, I’ll try to explain it better. For me, trek was about people overcoming their differences and trying to work things out despite them, and being kind to each other. Newer shows lack this ideas, in my opinion.
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I understand that explaining my position is probably futile, and only bring more moking.
I don’t agree with your point.
First, there’s a lot of old trek episodes basically just saying „X is wrong, y’all stop doing this, please!“
Second, there still is a lot of times new trek shows that working together is beneficial for everyone. There’s even a whole show exactly about that called Prodigy, and it’s really great.
True, in old trek they too had “we know better” thing, but the feeling was different (for me), as in they were hopeful in tone and intentionally tried to be non-violent even in situations where it would be a lot easier to just force their way.
I will look at Prodigy again, thank you for recommendation.
I don’t find Strange New World for example particularly violent, even compared to old trek. It is sometimes grittier when exploring how war traumatizes people caught up in it, sure but I don’t think that’s what you mean.
However, that is not what’s being criticized usually. Most complaints about new trek being “woke” is about stuff like the inclusion of a gay couple or nonbinary characters.
For me, trek was about people overcoming their differences and trying to work things out despite them, and being kind to each other. Newer shows lack this ideas, in my opinion.
In Discovery, a Vulcan woman gets married to a seven-foot tall walking squid man. In seasons 4-5, Book nearly destroys the galaxy and they forgive him because they understand he was traumatised. These strike me as pretty clear examples (just two, I could add more!) of people ‘overcoming their differences and trying to work things out despite them, and being kind to each other’.
This is entirely separate from the question of whether those plots lines and character arcs were well-written - they largely weren’t, IMO. But they did happen!
They are just different, modern is so cynical and edgy and, yes, ‘woke’ in the way that makes it feel foreign.
Lads, is being foreign woke?
Alright, I’ll try to explain it better. For me, trek was about people overcoming their differences and trying to work things out despite them, and being kind to each other. Newer shows lack this ideas, in my opinion.
Tap for spoiler
I understand that explaining my position is probably futile, and only bring more moking.
I don’t agree with your point.
First, there’s a lot of old trek episodes basically just saying „X is wrong, y’all stop doing this, please!“
Second, there still is a lot of times new trek shows that working together is beneficial for everyone. There’s even a whole show exactly about that called Prodigy, and it’s really great.
True, in old trek they too had “we know better” thing, but the feeling was different (for me), as in they were hopeful in tone and intentionally tried to be non-violent even in situations where it would be a lot easier to just force their way. I will look at Prodigy again, thank you for recommendation.
I don’t find Strange New World for example particularly violent, even compared to old trek. It is sometimes grittier when exploring how war traumatizes people caught up in it, sure but I don’t think that’s what you mean.
However, that is not what’s being criticized usually. Most complaints about new trek being “woke” is about stuff like the inclusion of a gay couple or nonbinary characters.
In Discovery, a Vulcan woman gets married to a seven-foot tall walking squid man. In seasons 4-5, Book nearly destroys the galaxy and they forgive him because they understand he was traumatised. These strike me as pretty clear examples (just two, I could add more!) of people ‘overcoming their differences and trying to work things out despite them, and being kind to each other’.
This is entirely separate from the question of whether those plots lines and character arcs were well-written - they largely weren’t, IMO. But they did happen!
most older fans dont like STD, they considered as a alternate timeline.
This is irrelevant to the discussion, which was not ‘Is it an alternate timeline/who likes it?’ but ‘does it possess certain qualities?’.
I am baffled by this language you speak. Are you trying to break an AI overlord by speaking in paradoxes or…?
What does “woke” mean? What makes modern Trek woke but old Trek not?