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I’m not from the UK so my point of view means nothing, but I hope a Labour government will still support Ukraine. From my limited understanding it seems the Tories have been a domestic nightmare, but opposing Russian aggression is a policy I support.
I don’t see that changing.
I hope you’re right. Republicans in Congress have already fucked up America’s support. I don’t want Ukraine to lose any more support.
Luckily they are the equivalent of the Tories, who have supported Ukraine pretty well; Labour should at least be maintaining that if not improving upon it.
Thankfully Ukraine is something pretty much everyone in parliament is unanimous on, there are very few exceptions.
If the Republicans get their way Ukraine can say goodbye to US support. Europe, including the UK, should step up to the plate and triple down in its support for Ukraine in funding and supplies and be prepared for military action with or without the US.
Let’s hope so. I look forward to a few Portillo moments. The Tories have caused so much damage to the UK in two words Brexit and Corruption.
Don’t forget austerity. It’s been a significantly larger impact to the UK than even Brexit has. Shit, if they didn’t do austerity then Brexit would almost certainly never have happened.
“Austerity” is such a bloodless word for class warfare.
Just in time for the next people to get all the blame with the wars happen
Labour?
Still too many Tory seats in Wales.
Could’ve ended that sentence two words earlier.
They deserve it
Good
Yes, I was quite surprised they didn’t get the boot last election.
You mean when we nixed Boris? That wasn’t a “general election” as such.
No, I meant in 2019. Brexit was already a mess. Instead they gained.
Saying that, I didn’t think brexit would get up either.
All it took was driving the country off a cliff with Brexit. UK has the same problem with Tories that the US has with Republicans and a population of total morons lining up to vote for them.
Good
Anyone else think Biden and Sunak are incentivised to take US and UK put boots on the ground over Israel-Hamas-Houthi conflicts? Tories face wipe-out, and Biden faces a close call with Trump, and nothing helps guarantee re-election like being at war.
You mean it’s all political and that Houthi missle that just hit a container ship means nothing?
But it is all political. Houthis are funded by SA and Iran. They are attacking because of Israel’s genocidal treatment of 2 million people in Gaza. I mean the Houthis are awful, as are Hamas, but there are lots of other awful groups doing awful stuff around the globe 24/7 that impact UK and US interests but don’t prompt severe military retaliation. Russia tried to shoot down a RAF jet last year - nothing happened, diplomacy won out. So why the sudden need to approve these strikes on a weekend? Attacks have been happening for months. Why didn’t they do an emergency recall to put the decision before Congress and HoC? They are playing with fire and they know it.
I’m just saying that a war declaration against a much less well-armed militia in Yemen for a prolonged military campaign and something they can claim to be in aid of a ‘good’ cause could be convenient to both Biden and Sunak for a boost in the polls. It also comes with fewer risks as they arent a nuclear power like Russia, Iran, SA, or Israel (yay proxy war). Sadly, I wouldn’t put it past either leader to have considered this.
but there are lots of other awful groups doing awful stuff around the globe 24/7 that impact UK and US interests but don’t prompt severe military retaliation
Name one that is blocking a major transport lane by firing missles at ships. We took action when a US Navy ship was attacked by 24 Houthi drones. You don’t attack US ships in international waters and not expect blowback. To parapharse Godfather, it’s not political, it’s business.
Houthis are funded by SA and Iran.
houthis are at war with saudi arabia for better part of last decade, and more broadly for almost three decades. it’s a part of proxy iran-saudi conflict
They are attacking because of Israel’s genocidal treatment of 2 million people in Gaza
they are attacking because iran told them so. houthis, like hezbollah, are iranian proxies
Russia tried to shoot down a RAF jet last year
and turks shot down a russian jet couple of years ago, and ultimately also nothing happened
Why didn’t they do an emergency recall to put the decision before Congress and HoC? They are playing with fire and they know it.
bs. airstrikes are easy and low-risk, the real, permanent solution to this problem would be boots on the ground and/or high intensity airstrikes on iranian weapons manufacturers. neither are gonna happen, but airstrikes provide that “something is being done” vibe
since when saudis or iranians have nukes?
Based on what I’ve read today, it seems as though the Biden administration is running out of patience with Netanyahu. I’d be surprised if anything real came of that, but at the very least, I highly doubt he has any interest whatsoever putting US troops in Gaza.
I really hope so. I doubt troops would be deployed to Gaza too, but would not put it past them to consider deploying to Yemen to take out the Houthis.
That theory doesn’t make much sense to me. The military conflicts have been political losers for Biden. Polling consistently shows that Americans believe (for some insane reason) that the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts wouldn’t have happened under Trump. Gaza in particular has split Biden’s base. The best thing that could happen for Biden is if all the conflicts end before the election.
It seems there are some in the UK Government willing to game the Israel Gaza conflict to their electoral advantage. Not boots on ground, and thankfully its being called out by the opposition as wrong, but shows they are at least considering this in their deliberations for calling for a ceasefire. https://feddit.uk/post/9265224
I hope Farage leads reform, that will reduce the Tories even more.
We actually do need big reforms in this country. I hate Farage for brexit, but credit where credits do he did something I thought was impossible. Hopefully he can help push through some much needed reforms in the UK which the party stands for but they will never see power.
I cannot put into words how much I hate first past the post, its the worst voting system. Also why are there are so many people that have land money and power because of William the first gave there ancestors land, Lords needs to end. Immigration is way too high, bringing in as many people per year as a large city and targeting house building less than half that is a crisis. This country is doing pretty badly but a few big decisions and it could be a lot better. As bad as reform are, they are right in some ways and the less power the tories have the better.
Edit: Guess people like the Tories or they don’t understand FPTP voting.
Let me understand this. You hate Farage yet you have hope in him. The electoral, honours and Lords systems certainly need reform. The Tories are corrupt and self-serving whose only interest are the party and business. Brexit and Teeside.
Yes the man gets things done see brexit. You don’t have to like someone to see that are able to achieve things.
So if you hate the tories why wouldn’t you want reform to get more votes? As per the article they won’t get any seats but if farage runs then the tories will lose even more seats.
Seems like a reason to want farage to run. Yet that’s an unpopular view?
Brexit was done with lies and misinformation and you praise it like it was the masterclass of politics, I suppose it’s not entirely untrue, but it isn’t a happy thing for most
I didn’t say it was a happy thing. I said I didn’t like him for it.
Doesn’t mean he isn’t good at achieving things which he is. Jesus are people so one sided they just blind to anything positive unless their side did it.
Brexit was an absolute shower of shit, I never said otherwise. That in no way makes anything else I said untrue.
“Achieving things” = riling up racists
I think people don’t like your suggestion/implication of Farage being the one pushing through reforms more than liking Tories.
Who else is then? Labour aren’t.
The more votes Farage gets the less the Tories get. Right win people aren’t going to vote for the green party so it’s good that there is a right wing party 1 splitting the vote and 2 pushing for actual good things so yea as unpopular as it is I hope the tories lose seats and more people on the right want changes to be made.
Don’t you remember the last GE? Farage’s party stepped down in many Tory seats, and stayed in many strong labour seats.
They were splitting Labour’s vote, not the Conservative vote.
You’re right, but I think the idea of Farage being in charge of pushing through any sorts of ideas (even if it’s reforms that are good) is making people uncomfortable, which is what could be read from your first comment.
That is not what happened during the last election and you know it.
Edit: Guess people like the Tories or they don’t understand FPTP voting.
Nope, just your comments about immigration.
It’s so rarely the people in the cities who actually live and work with immigrants every day who don’t want them. It’s the small village people who suddenly have 1 brown person they don’t know how to interact with.
We have net migration of 750,000. Do people even think about how much that is? If we need that many immigrants we are a failed country. Our education system needs to be vastly improved.
But that’s not the point of this amount of immigration largely. We are only aiming to build 300,000 houses a year and yet we have a housing crisis and are taking in net, as many people as a large city each year. The reason is to keep wages low and house prices high.
Why people want that I don’t know.
