We aren’t idolizing mediocre programming, that’s why we dislike AI
As much as I despise AI, if people are using it to identify kernel vulnerabilities then there’s really no choice but to try to stay one step ahead of them. It’s really sad.
That’s quite a bit different than including LLM written (not merely checked) vibecode directly into the kernel.
Every time someone tells me “you’ll be left behind” I instantly reply “do you promise”
It is not about being a simp or whatever that means. It is about LLM’s being trained on licensed data and the output being a transformation (literally a collection of functions) of that data. Meaning that it is virtually a certainty that the output without a license notice is a violation on the license of the data it was trained.
Not to mention all the others shit show that AI’s companies do , are trying to accomplish and stand for.
There are many, many reasons to not use AI (the ones you mention as “other shit shows” for example…).
But when the linux, open source, copy-left guys, who only ever use licenses to keep code free and not locked away in some proprietary project and who would claim that copying is not stealing but freeing code any other day of the week, suddenly complain about AI using “stolen data” to make it accessible to anyone, it will never be not funny to me.
[…] who would claim that copying is not stealing […]
I’m not sure what do you mean by this, one is either complying with the license or not.
[…] suddenly complain about AI using “stolen data” to make it accessible to anyone, it will never be not funny to me.
The data is not accessible to anyone, you need to have a subscription to one of these services to even access the output of these LLM’s, not the data itself. The data is closed behind AI companies’ doors.
If someone would take all data out there (licensed or not) and really make it accessible to anyone (like what Aaron Schwartz tried to do) I would not be that mad about it. This is certainly not the case though. AI companies are trying to rent access to this transformed data for profit.
AI companies business implementation of LLM’s goes against FLOSS in practice and in spirit.
Either it gets ruled as fair use or the licence terms of the og code apply at which point GPL licences apply and and all the ai companies gonna become open source
Thank you for letting me know so clearly that you would like to be added to my blocklist!
The username wasnt enough? ;)
Voyager cuts that off so until I started digging a bit into the post history I couldn’t see beyond the first half or so of the name, and (obviously) it was actually a surprise what the second part revealed.
Though retrospectively yes, if I had been able to see the whole name from the start then it definitely would have been a good clue. 😂
Holy shit. Indeed I do! Sign me up.
I never expected this. I didn’t see it coming. It was all so sudden. But if you have to, do it.
I disagree with you wholeheartedly on the AI issue, but on this comment? No notes. Well handled.
If it’s stupid, but it works, it’s me, at work
Easier now, harder later
is this the sex community ?
Nah, easy mistake, you’re looking for the OTHER linux community:
heave | ho | heave | ho
Yup, easier to decide to break up with it.
Honestly, I have yet to see a single example of how the linux kernel is ruined because of AI. You know why? Because I’m not a kernel developer! In fact, I’m not a developer at all! All I see is, linux is working fine.
When is the last time your kernel broke? When is the last time AI caused the linux kernel to fail or falter? Not saying it never will happen, but I’ve yet to hear about it.
I mean, they literally just started using it. If it was ruining the kernel you wouldn’t see it yet.
