Hello everynyan, we’re studying Marxism-Leninism. Here is a link to the list

This week we’re reading:

  1. Why Socialism? - A. Einstein (1949)
    Webpage | Audiobook [~10 min / 22 min]

  2. Why Marxism? - R. Day (2020)
    Webpage | Audiobook [~15 min / 21 min]

  3. Why do we Have to Study Theory? - Ho Chi Minh (1957)
    Webpage | Audio book [~10 min / 11 min]

  4. General Rules for Independent Study - N. Krupskaya (1934)
    Webpage [~5 min]

  5. “Tankies” - N. Frome (2020)
    Webpage | Audiobook [~5 min / 11 min]


Next week we will be watching 6. US Interventionism, the Third World, and the USSR - M. Parenti (1986)

Webpage Transcription of Speech | Original Speech [~1 hr / 1 hr 33 min]

  • Cowbee [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netM
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    Thanks a lot for your perspective! This is the kind of critique I am actually looking for most, something that goes against my own gut feeling and provides fresh perspective. Indeed, critical support isn’t covered much. In a way, it’s a filter and bait for the reader to engage more with the list. This section is essentially laying the psychological desire to engage with Marxism. The provocative nature of Why Marxism? is deliberate, it pulls the reader a bit more into it.

    Additionally, it directly sets the stage for the Marxist critique of capitalism and markets, rather than the moralist critique. It explicitly shows that markets can play a progressive role in the construction of socialism, where no other work really sets those same seeds at this point. In trying to trim the guide as much as possible, I am trying to make it essentially a pipeline to join an org, not a substitute for organizing. It cannot be lengthy, and it cannot drive people away by being too daunting a task to follow, so trimming it is still really critical.

    In other words, this course isn’t a replacement for a study course on Marxism for cadre training. No org should use this as a replacement for a dedicated cadre training program. Instead, it’s a way to prepare workers for the work they will do in organizations. The target is the radicalized but inexperienced and non-organized working class, to raise the level of ideological development and pipe them into organizing.

    Thanks for your perspective! I’ll keep that in mind for later when I actually make adjustments.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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      It cannot be lengthy, and it cannot drive people away by being too daunting a task to follow, so trimming it is still really critical.

      Unfortunately the suggestion I came up with is quite long at 6000 words: Marxism and African Liberation by Walter Rodney, 1975. While the title makes it sound specific to African conditions, a lot of Rodney’s arguments are for the general applicability and relevance of Marxism to different times and places. He directly addresses questions of like, “Why should we care about these old dead white guys?” and explains that Marxist theory is a methodology to be adapted to specific conditions, rather than a set of policies that would be irrelevant in different conditions. It also calls out:

      It is particularly true in our part of the world, that is, the English-speaking part of the world, because the Anglo-American tradition is one of intense hostility, philosophically speaking, towards Marxism, a hostility that manifests itself in a peculiar way. It manifests itself by trying to dissociate itself even from the study of Marxism. If you were to check on the continental tradition in Europe, you would find it is not the same. French, German and Belgian intellectuals, whatever their perspective, understand the importance of Marxism. They study it, they relate to it, they understand the body of thought which is called Marxism and they take a position vis-à-vis that body of thought.

      In the English tradition, which was also handed down to this part of the world, to the Caribbean, to many parts of Africa, it is fashionable to disavow any knowledge of Marxism. it is fashionable to glory in one’s ignorance, to say that we are against Marxism. When pressed about it one says - but why bother to read it? It is obviously absurd.

      So one knows it is absurd without reading it and one doesn’t read it because one knows it is absurd, and therefore one glories in one’s ignorance of the position.

      It is rather difficult to seriously address the question of the relevance of Marxism unless one does the basic minimum of accepting that one should attempt to enter into this full body of thought, because it is a tremendous body of literature and analysis, and from the outside as it were, it is extremely difficult.

      I’m not sure if it belongs in the introduction because of it’s length, and it’s fairly dense. Part of it does depend on what the list is aiming to be, and who the target audience is. I think that there’s value in getting people to understand and consider Marxism, even from a neutral, academic standpoint. To adopt Marxism, you have to evaluate it, and to evaluate it, you have to understand it. Even if someone does not adopt Marxism and does not join a Marxist org, having people in other organizations who are not actively hostile to understanding what Marxism even is, is still potentially useful. But it’s a question of what the goal of the list is and who the target audience is.

      • MLRL_Commie [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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        3 days ago

        As a Rodneyist, I heavily support such a reading, too (MLRL stands for Marxist Leninist Rodneyist Losurdoist lol). But, I think Day’s Why Marxism is sufficient for the list as Cowbee makes it. Rodney is amazing, but I would consider this work of his aa something to supplement this smaller reading list… but I find it hard to say such because of how valuable Rodney is!

        • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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          I actually didn’t know who Rodney was until I did some digging looking for someone who made the case for Marxism and came across this. I was really impressed by his analysis and style. I started listening to “How Europe Underdeveloped Africa” and as good as his analysis of the specific conditions is, again I think it’s useful generally, as an example of how Marxist analysis works and how to apply it.

          And I’m pissed that he was assassinated, so young! They deprived the world of a generational talent, we could’ve had so much more of his work.

          I wondered about if it’d be possible to trim the length to make it more approachable, but it’s hard because everything flows so naturally and logically. I wish people were just patient enough to appreciate it, but what can you do?

      • Cowbee [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netM
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        Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll give it a read! And yes, there is merit in protecting Marxism from vulgarization while simultaneously promoting it within broader context. I’ll summarize the target audience and goal of this list then:

        The target: radicalized workers around the world, but primarily those that speak English (due to my own monolingual experience).

        The goal: equip the reader with a basic Marxist-Leninist toolkit to use, and pipeline them into an organization to apply that toolkit.

        To those ends, length is fatal. It needs to grab the reader and not feel a chore to complete. It needs to not scare away liberals, while also providing a riposte to any liberal anti-communism. This list is not a template for an organization to use for training cadre, it’s a pre-cadre list designed to help plant seeds for cadre training.