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Imperialism is when a country can punch back
It seems like to the “my politics are based on being a morally pure lamb” types, having any ability to do violence whatsoever is evil
Unless we are talking about the US. Then it’s alright. We just gotta be patient and vote so they can transition from “necessary evil” to “paragons of virtue”.
Imperialism is when country has military
But isn’t western.
You can tell they’re dishonest because they refer to others disparagingly as “leninoids” who “haven’t read Imperialist, the Highest Stage of capitalism” yet they oversimplify and muddy up what Lenin actually said, and the point he was making about capitalism and its development.
It’s a little something like if people were like: “Here is how Einstein saw the world based on his general theory of relativity.”
And then this person goes: “All these Einsteinoids clearly haven’t read Einstein’s theory. He was saying that everything is relative.”
Lenin was speaking as a scientist and a revolutionary, trying to understand why capitalism developed the way it did and what it is likely to do in the future, which is pretty important if you’re trying to overcome it and transition to a different, better system. This person is speaking as someone who starts out wanting to frame the world as multiple empires duking it out and then tries to use Lenin’s words to justify that. This is a narrative that only benefits the western/white empire. When people view it as multiple empires duking it out, then they get confused about who they should be siding with or why.
But nobody else in the world behaves like the white empire does. There is no equivalence and the extended hegemonic hold of the white empire has meant that entities who might otherwise be enemies due to conflicting interests have had to work together to survive. For example, in a vacuum, capitalist Russia and socialist China might be enemies, but in practice, they have growing ties because the empire backed them into a corner where it was the most pragmatic decision for both to work together. Similar with Iran.
When the white empire is gone, it’s possible that some other capitalist state, or states, will try to be imperialist in its place, but it’s hard to imagine who when socialist China is positioning itself as the steady hand of global, guiding power. They would be the ones with the power and reach to do it if anyone was going to and they’ve been deliberately doing basically the opposite; helping other countries have better infrastructure, better independence, more of a chance at sovereignty. China also has a lot of cultural inertia against being that kind of country, along with its embedded socialist practice and still functioning vanguard.
This is an excellent response
The only countries you could even potential argue that Iran extracts super profits from are Iraq and Yemen, and in both cases, Iran is not exporting financial capital into them. Iran can’t even fucking move its capital outside of the country.
I just don’t understand how someone this utterly incompetent exists. It goes beyond mere ignorance, it’s genuinely an unfathomable level of stupidity to come to their conclusion.
Either this mf is lying about reading Lenin or just completely missed the point. Can’t even differentiate between funding armed resistance without expecting profit in return and exporting finance capital!
Take a look at the flag in their avatar and all becomes clear.
Yeah, that’s sorta what tipped me off before even reading the comment.
The second post shows they have, in fact, not read Lenins “Imperialism”. Any capitalist state become imperialist given the opportunity. They’re not magically already imperialist just because.
As if all capitalist states have vast capital just lying around to circulate globally, and have a huge military outposts to protect that capital.
“B-but…but I don’t get to play “both sides bad” game this way.” -an honest lib
What universe are these people living in? “Iran exports finance capital”? Lol. To where? And how? While under sanctions and practically cut off from the global financial system? Next thing they are going to claim the DPRK exports finance capital? Absurd the lengths some people go to, to twist themselves into logical pretzels to justify their preconceived biases against some countries. “Here’s why aggressor and victim are actually the same because they both breathe air.”
The live in the Langley, Virginia reality bubble. If they aren’t a fed they sure do think exactly like them.
Military aid is totally the same as capital. Me very smort.
Imperialist country is when liberals don’t like you. Read a blog, tankie.
Also holy hell this “leftist” is so “well read” they can’t even use the magic word “campist” instead of normie insults.
Said the actual mouthbreather.
It’s imperialist bcz it has hijabs
When Iran starts invading, colonizing or coercing other countries with the express intent of subjugating their resources, industry, infrastructure, and exploiting their peoples, then we can compare the US-Iran war to the Japan-US conflict of WW2.
This is what not reading theory does to you, much like book worship. Not every capitalist country is an imperialist country.
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