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Defend the continent from what?? “Russian orcs”? Bro just end the war in Ukraine and stop antagonizing Russia and they will leave everyone alone!
The best peace policy for Europe would be to pay reparations to the colonized world…
Now THAT is something I’d be in favor of dismantling the welfare state for lmao
WI MUZST DEFEND ZE
GERMAN NATIONCONTINENT ANDZE GREAT ARYAN RACEEUROPEAN WVALUES FROM ZEJUDEO-BOLSHEVIK CONCPIRACYDIRTY IMMIGRANTSRUZZIAN ORCSABUSERS OF OUR GLORIOUS WELFARE STATE
- this fucking guy probably
imo anyone even wanting to “defend yuuropeen” values or otherwise is a massive red flag. like serious fucking closeted fascist vibes
What even are European values? Colonizing? 😂
That and genocide. Traditional stuff.
Ofc how could I forget the age old tradition started by Caesar against the Gauls.
Romans were doing that at least for a couple centuries already.
I guess colonizing, genociding and pedophilia seem to be the main Roman legacies the Euros have been exporting these somehundred years
don’t forget usury.
are russia and north korea hermit states that want nothing to do with the world or will they colonize everyone because it cant be both…
also the ”welfare state” is a myth. my friends from northern europe are still struggling because they still live under capitalism…
Yeah but the welfare state has been dismantled since Reagan. Cold War era Nordics is where the welfare state truly peaked.
I’m guessing this has less to do with Russia, and more to do with immigration.
I didn’t read that article (naturally), but “defend” makes me think of European paranoia about Russia, not immigration.
The immigration talks are progressing more towards “yeah well we tried being “nice” and letting the poor people in, but seems like we’ll have to resign to ethnic displacements and fascism again oops”.
Tbf, I didn’t read the slop either. I just know a lot of Europe is in panic mode over the immigration in Spain and figured they’d finally adopted the American strategy of labeling immigrants as militant foreign invaders.
Most non-chud euros I see really quickly understood that was a plot by Israel and the US to punish Sanchez 🤷♂️
I was figuring that someone writing an opinion post for the financial times would probably fall into the chud category. But yeah, either scenario is a possibility, really it’s a coin flip on what type of racist European the writer is. Do they fear the invasion of the slavs from the north, or the arabs of the south?
Finally? They have been doing that for a bit.
As an orc can confirm that we are abourt to vote for invading Europe on Gosuslugi this autumn and this is not just EU projection.
Guess it’s time to link history again: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/7112898/6016809
They still declared war and are doing horrible things in the war, there is no reason to defend their behavior
The Ukraine regime is in bed with neo-nazis and kidnaps its own people and brutalizes them to force them to die in the war. I can only assume you’ve been ingesting NATO propaganda that says Russia bad over and over.
From a communist perspective, current Russia being run by capitalists is not good, but from an anti-imperialist perspective, Russia is not even close to equivalent to the Ukraine regime. This isn’t “two evil powers duking it out”. It’s one proxy (backed by the western empire) Ukraine acting in the typical barbaric ways that the empire behaves forcing Russia to act to defend its regional sovereignty, but it is a common and (often effective) tactic for the empire to say that history starts when it says it does. Which is why I linked what I did. There is no “still…” here. The “how did we get here” that I linked is a vital part of understanding what the dynamics in play actually are vs. what NATO says they are.
If you can accept that Russia is not an aggressor here, that fundamentally changes the equation. It’s not a matter of “defending them” in the sense of “they can do no wrong” or something. It’s a matter of escaping the NATO imperialist paradigm; a paradigm which says that any people or nation who defend themselves against imperial aggression, whether that imperial aggression is exercised directly upon them or through a proxy entity–that those people defending themselves are aggressors run by a saturday morning cartoon villain dictator and that therefore any and all brutality against them is justified, up to and including wiping out their entire people.
This is the paradigm I am challenging. You won’t necessarily believe in it as explicitly as I spelled it out, but people often passively believe in aspects of it by osmosis of ingesting imperialist propaganda for so long.
I can only assume you’ve been ingesting NATO propaganda that says Russia bad over and over.
Hell nah, i just only hate that everyone seems to forget that both sides are bad, “don’t antagonize Russia” is a shit statement, both sides are bad as fuck, Russia for declaring war, and- well everthing with their regime and ukraine for what they do in war and to their people in general
Also, please consider reading more about both countries from a 3rd perspective because all i read seems some very biased pro-russian stuff
Ukraine via a coup that made it a proxy for NATO is empirically the aggressor here. If saying that sounds “pro-Russian”, then I guess historical fact has a Russian bias.
“Both sides are bad” is centrist nonsense, reminiscent of The Nib’s comic about it: https://thenib.com/centrist-history/
Reducing complex geopolitical dynamics to “both sides” does not produce any meaningful analysis, nor explain how we arrived at the point we are at, and it is something that documented-as-horrible entities have a history of using, in order to whitewash their crimes. It is a tactic of the western empire to say that its crimes are only what humans have always done, that others do it too, and so on.
The fact that you call this “close-minded and in a bubble” is psychological projection. I’m trying to introduce complexity and you keep trying to reduce it to a simplistic, cartoon-like narrative. Even as you claim your position is “both sides are bad”, you speak as if you think I’m some kind of Russian loyalist simply because I’m not saying they’re an evil expansionist aggressor. This suggests that you do not really even believe both sides are bad, but rather you believe Russia is bad and are only willing to concede Ukraine is “bad too” insofar as it softens others to the perspective of Russia as equally bad. And I will concede no such thing. This isn’t a negotiation, nor a purity test, it’s a question of historical realities and their consequences.
“Both sides are bad as fuck” bro are you 16. All you’ve done is gesture vaguely at “they’re bad” clearly you don’t know any of the relevant history since you haven’t mentioned anything tangible. Of course Russia is “bad” war is “bad”. What war has ever been acceptable for you?
I guess what i wrote after that is invisible, i don’t want to continue this convo because y’all seem to be very closed minded and in a bubble, furthermore i don’t know any of you enough to know if a debate will change you (but from your comment, it seems that you aren’t mature enough for that, yet) otherwise i would’ve made a more extended list
Lot of countries are “bad”. That doesn’t mean antagonizing them is good.
Millions of working class people are dead because our putrid empire wouldn’t stop fucking with Russia.
They’d still be alive if we weren’t trying to cuck Russia all the time.
Enlighten me, what is this third perspective, link something.
Declaring war? That’s where you draw the line? 😂
So no harm no foul in the invasion of Iraq I guess
Who is even talkin of iraq here 💔
Also, just to be clear, i am pretty much against both USA and Russia
“They still declared war” like that’s the fucking problem?
The US never declared war on Iraq. And “all states are evil” is a useless position.
Never said all countries are evil but both USA and Russia are
Yeah that makes sense, life just happens in a vacuum, they just did stuff and for no reason too! History doesn’t mean anything and nothing is connected!
They wouldn’t have declared war if we hadn’t couped a neighboring government to create a neo-Nazi puppet state right on their border with the intent of starting a proxy war.
This ain’t hard.
“But I’m one of the good ones! I’m one of the good ones!”, Janan Ganesh shouted at his fellow hwhite supremacists. They did not agree.
With immigrants and descendents of recent immigrants rapidly growing in size in Europe - with outright majorities in many urban areas, politics is changing accordingly. So like in the Netherlands, where you have right wing firebrand politicians like Dilan Yeşilgöz-Zegerius, or in Germany, where the leader of the far-right AfD is in a homosexual relationship with a person from Sri Lanka, while living in Switzerland, or in the Czech republic where a far-right leader is a Japanese guy.
instead of “I’m white and you’re not, so fuck off” it’s gonna be “I’ve been here for 30 years, and you’re new, or from an inferior immigrant group that’s making our country worse [I hear Turks complain about Arabs semi-often here] so fuck off”
and he’s of south asian ethnicity with the name ‘janan ganesh’. i dont know what it will take brown people to realize that they (the white nationalists) will never accept us as one of their own no matter how many boots we lick.
If we use history as a reference, it should be sometime between their arrest and their ride to the camps.
During a brutal raid on his home by the Gestapo in September 1942, Victor Klemperer refused to remain silent.
He explicitly invoked his combat service, his wounds, and his loyalty to the Fatherland to reason with the officers. He recorded his exact words in his journal“I stood in the field for three years; I am a German; I have done my duty.”
The Gestapo officer’s response captured the systematic rejection of this argument
“Shut your mouth! You are a Jew, a piece of dirt, less than dirt! Your service means nothing to us.”
i think even on the way to the camps they’re going to try to appeal to the fact that they were one of the good brownies. you see this happen with deported trump voters who are still like ‘i still support trump, this is a mistake’.
I guess there are always outliers capable of exceptional levels of denial.
defending the continent from the poors breathing all over it with their prole breath
Guess they want to be like daddy US. A military command center disguised as a country.
Bro you’ll end up in the chopping block if that happens, what the fuck you’re on? Stop sucking up to your white bougie masters, it damages your cognition.
Is that a relative of Merz?
