Ukraine via a coup that made it a proxy for NATO is empirically the aggressor here. If saying that sounds “pro-Russian”, then I guess historical fact has a Russian bias.
Reducing complex geopolitical dynamics to “both sides” does not produce any meaningful analysis, nor explain how we arrived at the point we are at, and it is something that documented-as-horrible entities have a history of using, in order to whitewash their crimes. It is a tactic of the western empire to say that its crimes are only what humans have always done, that others do it too, and so on.
The fact that you call this “close-minded and in a bubble” is psychological projection. I’m trying to introduce complexity and you keep trying to reduce it to a simplistic, cartoon-like narrative. Even as you claim your position is “both sides are bad”, you speak as if you think I’m some kind of Russian loyalist simply because I’m not saying they’re an evil expansionist aggressor. This suggests that you do not really even believe both sides are bad, but rather you believe Russia is bad and are only willing to concede Ukraine is “bad too” insofar as it softens others to the perspective of Russia as equally bad. And I will concede no such thing. This isn’t a negotiation, nor a purity test, it’s a question of historical realities and their consequences.
Ukraine via a coup that made it a proxy for NATO is empirically the aggressor here. If saying that sounds “pro-Russian”, then I guess historical fact has a Russian bias.
“Both sides are bad” is centrist nonsense, reminiscent of The Nib’s comic about it: https://thenib.com/centrist-history/
Reducing complex geopolitical dynamics to “both sides” does not produce any meaningful analysis, nor explain how we arrived at the point we are at, and it is something that documented-as-horrible entities have a history of using, in order to whitewash their crimes. It is a tactic of the western empire to say that its crimes are only what humans have always done, that others do it too, and so on.
The fact that you call this “close-minded and in a bubble” is psychological projection. I’m trying to introduce complexity and you keep trying to reduce it to a simplistic, cartoon-like narrative. Even as you claim your position is “both sides are bad”, you speak as if you think I’m some kind of Russian loyalist simply because I’m not saying they’re an evil expansionist aggressor. This suggests that you do not really even believe both sides are bad, but rather you believe Russia is bad and are only willing to concede Ukraine is “bad too” insofar as it softens others to the perspective of Russia as equally bad. And I will concede no such thing. This isn’t a negotiation, nor a purity test, it’s a question of historical realities and their consequences.