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It’s true. I used to be pretty anti-China. I mean the CCP seemed like they were setting up as the primary antagonist for the geopolitical meta, at least from the Canadian perspective.
But then the States goes all “hold my fuckin’ beer” and kicks us in the balls from behind. So yeah… Fuck you, USA.
How does it make China better when the U.S. gets worse? It’s sad, but China is still much worse than the U.S., it’s just that the China Communist Party has already the country’s media and its citizen under full censorship control, while Trump is aiming at that.
How does it make China better
China hasn’t got better, the USA simply got worse.
The US has betrayed our long-standing friendship. It’s not about who objectively has the most human rights violations and geopolitical power abuses on record, and this is truly debatable in the case of assessing these two.
I don’t think it’s really debatable. The US is far worse than China.
Yea, I think so too
Nah, China just controls its media space and censors its people better. The ruling party there has already reached what Trump is aiming at.
China isn’t putting tariffs on us or threatening to invade and their ambassador isn’t a giant asshole who keeps insulting us, so yeah.
Well, they are putting tariffs on us, but with sound logic and room to negotiate, while the USA is just throwing tariffs on anything and everything for whatever reason they can make up.
In June, China imposed 73.5% preliminary tariff on Canadian pea starch.
China may have a different approach than the Trump’s U.S., but the coercion goes on, very much as China does with all its “partners” …
One of the main reasons that Canadians did not like China was because of American disinformation propaganda. Now that Canadians are finally beginning to realize the extent of American disinformation, Canadians are making up their own mind about China, looking at the facts objectively.
This reads like more of a trade piece. China is seen as a more reliable trade partner.
I would argue that they are looking better for more than that. Politics aside, they are actively pursuing better technologies and methods to curb climate change, have firm predictable stances on most anything, whether you agree with them or not, and they generally seem to stick to a plan or agreement.
The biggest elephant in the room with them seems to be Taiwan and their record of human rights issues. Which, although terrible, are still somewhat predicable.
It’s wild to me that we are in a universe where this is happening, however compared to the US, where every day seems to bring a new flavour of uncertainty and ridiculousness, no wonder.
People surveyed in 36 countries now see China more positively than the U.S., with more overall having higher confidence in Chinese President Xi Jinping than in Trump.
I just know there’s a bunch of Americans on the internet right now, getting whooshed so hard as their brains interpret that with, “So you think China is good?”
The language is part to blame. “More positive” vs “more negatively” can have a different meaning if read without care. Or it shades it a certain way to alter the meaning.
I mean, thats a low low low bar
As a 'Murican, I can’t hardly blame them.
According to the survey linked in the article,
one area where the U.S. still gets higher ratings than China has to do with personal freedoms: More say the U.S. government respects the personal freedoms of its people than say the same of the Chinese government.
Pew Research did also a survey to find out how views of the U.S. and China compare specifcally in Latin America:
- Views of China are now slightly more positive than views of the U.S., due largely to worsening views of the U.S.
- People generally lack confidence in both Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping to do the right thing regarding world affairs.
- People are much more likely to say the U.S. interferes in the affairs of other countries than they are to say the same of China, but the two superpowers are seen in a fairly similar light when it comes to their reliability as a partner and contributions to global peace and stability.
All in all it is a more balanced view and doesn’t serve the Chinese propaganda.
What is absolutely missing in my humble opinion is how the U.S. and China compare to European countries, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and all the other democracies. The choice between Donald Trump and Xi Jinping is just a bit like the choice between the plague and cholera. But that’s just my opinion, maybe I am mistaken.
There isn’t a third option at this point though. China’s advanced fabs should be coming online by the end of the decade and will have a fully integrated supply chain. Especially since they found the silica they need. Which until last month was an absolute monopoly controlled by the USA.
So you really have only two choices. The West or China.
There are so many places people can turn to for journalism, opinions, and first hand accounts about day-to-day life in China. Why does everyone continue to swallow the propaganda explicitly delivered by eurocentric, western corporate media outlets?
No nation in the entirety of human history has provided a higher standard of living to a larger population than China. Why is it so hard for people to believe that the majority of people might actually appreciate and choose the structures and systems managed by the CCP?
Do people really believe that if any meaningful proportion of the more than 1,400,000,000 Chinese citizens (~40% of whom have received formal military training) had significant objections to their way of life that they wouldn’t be able to facilitate change or make more noise? It seems phenomenally disrespectful and beggars belief to imply that such a large number of people are either too stupid/immoral to care, or too cowardly to act. Is it not possible that they simply have a different set of values?
At this point this isn’t even a matter of speculation. Harvard’s been tracking domestic opinions through independent polling since the early 2000s. The tables in the report span to 2016:
Sadly no newer data but as you can see there’s a positive trend across levels of gov’t with pretty high satisfaction across the board. Would be nice to see where these numbers are today, after COVID, the real estate bubble and the Trump trade war.
Exactly.
It’s also amazing to me that even when measured and quantified, any positive conclusion about China must be presented by the global west with the caveat of “…but at what cost?”
“Everyone is happy because the system is delivering improved outcomes, but if the system stops delivering improved outcomes people might become less happy!”
Yeah… No shit… Welcome to every political and economic system ever…
That’s not to say there aren’t plenty problems but I think they got decent chances to solve or navigate many of them. For example managing their hard-on for Taiwan without resorting to war. Managing the decline of the US without war is another big challenge.
The hard-on is not really difficult to understand or empathize with. I mean, if the British had fled to, and seized control of Florida during the American Revolutionary War, I’m not sure people would be ok with just ceding the land to them…
I suspect that had the Kuomintang won mainland China and the CCP taken Taiwan, there wouldn’t be the global outpouring for Taiwanese sovereignty. People want to make this seem like a moral argument, but it’s really just the global west continuing their crusade against anything socialist or communist.
Oh yeah, I get all that. A CCP Taiwan would have been treated like Cuba and probably had similar if not worse fate given what happened with other left revolutions in the region.
That said, the history since then has created facts on the ground that Taiwan is independent at present and has had some form of democracy for 30 odd years. I personally would prefer for people in Taiwan to decide on whether to go independent, stay status quo or move towards unification. If China keeps developing as it has in the past, I think there’s a good chance that in a couple of decades Taiwanese people could decide to unify. There’s always gonna be unhappy people either way. Such is democracy. And any other system for that matter.
