Four years after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Russian economy is showing clear signs of structural exhaustion. The contours of a genuine economic endgame are coming into view for Russia. This is the finding of a new Kiel Report published by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy and the Stockholm Institute of Transition Economics.
  • Photonic@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14·
    1 day ago

    it’s literally in my comment above, read.

    So you think that is supposed to be the end goal? Maybe you can think juuust 1 step further.

    I never said you said that.

    Then who were you replying to? God? Santa? Why should I be the one to ask whether Ukrainians prefer no sanctions?

    What you did do is imply that it didn’t impact Russia’s war making capabilities,

    I said they’re ramping up ballistic missile attacks, which they are. I said nothing about the front, drone attacks or whatever. The point was that they still have plenty of production capabilities to ramp these up despite all these sanctions and years of costly war. And supposedly having hit their limit, which is what we’ve been hearing for years now. So yeah, I don’t believe the boy who cried wolf this time. F me right?

    “Just asking questions” that you know the answers to. You fuck off

    When the f did I say I was “just asking questions”? That’s the second straw man you made in two comments. You really couldn’t recognize a bad faith argument if it hit you in the face because they are all you’ve got.

    No, I made a statement. There was no question mark at the end. You chose to respond to that with a load of nonsense that shows you don’t understand an iota of this conflict and act like your shitty opinion is truth.

    • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
      41·
      1 day ago

      So you think that is supposed to be the end goal? Maybe you can think juuust 1 step further.

      Again “just asking questions”. If you want to make a point. Fucking make it. Fuck off with this “just asking questions” bullshit.

      And yes, weakening Russia’s war making capabilities is the fucking end goal.

      Europe was perfectly happy with Russia having a strong economy to buy European goods and sell them cheap gas. There is no other end goal.

      I said they’re ramping up ballistic missile attacks, which they are. I said nothing about the front, drone attacks or whatever. The point was that they still have plenty of production capabilities to ramp these up despite all these sanctions and years of costly war.

      Yeah, completely ignoring the fact that they’d be able to produce much more without the sanctions. Also why are cruise missile attacks dropping? Maybe because they can’t keep up production because of sanctions? funny that.

      And supposedly having hit their limit

      According to whom?

      The only quote you made was Von der Leyen, who didn’t fucking say that, did she?

      which is what we’ve been hearing for years now

      No we haven’t.

      So yeah, I don’t believe the boy who cried wolf this time.

      If you hear “wolf” when people say something else, that’s on you.

      When the f did I say I was “just asking questions No, I made a statement.

      A comment with nothing but questions you know the answer to but imply the answer is something else. That is exactly the definition of “just asking questions”. And you do it in other places as well.

      What is the point of the sanctions?

      The war hasn’t ended, has it?

      Not a statement, is it?

      • Photonic@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        16 hours ago

        May I remind you of your first comment on this thread?

        >Ursula von der Leyen, 2022 Are you somehow implying that she was wrong?

        And again, I’m not just asking questions and I never claimed that. Questions are a normal part of life, get used to it.

        You know the end goal is to stop the war. That hasn’t happened. I’m asking you questions because you’re dancing around that disingenuously. The end goal cannot be to continue the war but at a lower pace and you know it.

        Cruise missile attacks are dropping because they’re much easier to take down than ballistic missiles.

        And you’re making it (again, disingenuously) seem like I said the sanctions aren’t having any effects. That is not what I said and you also know it. I said that despite the sanctions they are still ramping up ballistic missile attacks. So the message that they have hit their war economy limits is false. Since once you hit your limit –that’s what a limit means– you can’t continue.

        They have not stopped, ergo they have not reached the limit.

        According to whom?

        Really? You can’t even read the headline of the article this thread is under. How am I supposed to take you seriously?

        If you hear “wolf” when people say something else, that’s on you.

        Here are a whole bunch of people claiming exactly that:

        https://www.russiamatters.org/node/35164

        https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-worsens-current-account-ruble-energy-exports-2023-7

        https://www.chathamhouse.org/2025/09/fortress-russia-economy-has-adapted-well-pressure-stagflation-presents-opportunity-west

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2026/feb/06/the-russian-economy-is-finally-stagnating-what-does-it-mean-for-the-war-and-for-putin

        I’m beginning to think you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about…

        Not a statement, is it?

        Not the comment you initially replied to, is it? Disingenuous #3

        But good talk my man. Keep it up and nobody will ever want to talk to you.

        • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
          11·
          9 hours ago

          Here are a whole bunch of people claiming exactly that:

          No they don’t, have you even read those articles?

          They make claims that are completely factual.

          Not the comment you initially replied to, is it? Disingenuous #3

          The original comment I replied to had a quote of Von der Leyen that you implied was making claims it didn’t.

          You know the end goal is to stop the war. That hasn’t happened.

          And you keep implying that sanctions aren’t having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.

          So the message that they have hit their war economy limits is false

          You cannot possibly know if they’ve hit their limits because you can’t see the future. So you cannot say that this message is false.

          You keep saying that people have made that claim before, and it was false then, so it must be false now. But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.

          • Photonic@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            6 hours ago

            No they don’t, have you even read those articles?

            I have, have you? And here I was thinking asking questions was illegal.

            that you implied was making claims it didn’t.

            Yes. So not a question. Thank you. You started out by asking question and then get mad when someone asks a question in return that you can’t and won’t answer.

            you keep implying that sanctions aren’t having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.

            Citation needed. The point is they have never proven to end wars sooner.

            you cannot say that this message is false.

            I said I will believe it when I see it. I have not seen the war ending because of the economy. Ergo: limit not yet hit. I don’t get why this is so hard for you.

            But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.

            Only to someone who can’t read…

            • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
              11·
              5 hours ago

              I have, have you? And here I was thinking asking questions was illegal.

              Quote from the first article you posted

              Not only is Russia far from being penniless, its economy is growing

              So no, it’s not saying that the economy has reached its limits, who you have not “heard it before”

              it supports the opposite of the point you’re trying to make.

              • Photonic@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11·
                4 hours ago

                Funny, you must really be blind or illiterate, because you read right past:

                “Yale’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his four co-authors declared that “business retreats and sanctions are catastrophically crippling  the Russian economy.”

                And

                “Predictions of Russia’s economic meltdown continued into 2023, with the New Republic diagnosing Russia as “going broke fast”

                And

                “Business Insider editors describing Russia’s economy as “spiraling”

                And

                “One of Putin’s own oligarchs, Oleg Deripaska, predicted in March 2023 that Russia may run out of money in 2024”

                Funny how that works. And you wonder why people ask you questions to check your knowledge about a certain topic…

                it supports the opposite of the point you’re trying to make.

                In my initial comment a few days ago, if you can even think that far back (idk, it seems like you might not) I said I will believe it when I see whether or not the Russian economy is actually at its limits. The article supports that. People keep saying it is

                catastrophically crippling

                Or

                meltdown

                Or

                going broke fast

                Or

                spiralling

                Or

                run out of money

                But it wasn’t. And now:

                hits its limits

                So I said I will believe it when I see it. And I will, but I haven’t seen it. That’s all.

                • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
                  11·
                  4 hours ago

                  And none of those said that Russia’s economy had reached its limits, as you claim.

                  “Yale’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his four co-authors declared that “business retreats and sanctions are catastrophically crippling  the Russian economy.”

                  Looking ahead, there is no path out of economic oblivion for Russia

                  “looking ahead”

                  “Predictions of Russia’s economic meltdown continued into 2023, with the New Republic diagnosing Russia as “going broke fast”

                  In time, Putin will run out of economic bullets

                  “in time”

                  And

                  “Business Insider editors describing Russia’s economy as “spiraling”

                  That one just says that the car industry is falling apart, which was true and the auto industry is now pretty much dead.

                  “One of Putin’s own oligarchs, Oleg Deripaska, predicted in March 2023 that Russia may run out of money in 2024”

                  A Russian businessman worried about his wealth, really?

                  So the article you linked doesn’t say what you think it says and links to articles cherry picking quotes to pretend they are saying something they don’t.

                  But yeah, it’s becoming clear why you think you’ve been hearing that Russia’s economy has hit its limits because you’re actively sectively reading stuff to pretend that’s what people are saying.