Four years after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Russian economy is showing clear signs of structural exhaustion. The contours of a genuine economic endgame are coming into view for Russia. This is the finding of a new Kiel Report published by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy and the Stockholm Institute of Transition Economics.
  • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
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    18 hours ago

    Here are a whole bunch of people claiming exactly that:

    No they don’t, have you even read those articles?

    They make claims that are completely factual.

    Not the comment you initially replied to, is it? Disingenuous #3

    The original comment I replied to had a quote of Von der Leyen that you implied was making claims it didn’t.

    You know the end goal is to stop the war. That hasn’t happened.

    And you keep implying that sanctions aren’t having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.

    So the message that they have hit their war economy limits is false

    You cannot possibly know if they’ve hit their limits because you can’t see the future. So you cannot say that this message is false.

    You keep saying that people have made that claim before, and it was false then, so it must be false now. But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.

    • Photonic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      15 hours ago

      No they don’t, have you even read those articles?

      I have, have you? And here I was thinking asking questions was illegal.

      that you implied was making claims it didn’t.

      Yes. So not a question. Thank you. You started out by asking question and then get mad when someone asks a question in return that you can’t and won’t answer.

      you keep implying that sanctions aren’t having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.

      Citation needed. The point is they have never proven to end wars sooner.

      you cannot say that this message is false.

      I said I will believe it when I see it. I have not seen the war ending because of the economy. Ergo: limit not yet hit. I don’t get why this is so hard for you.

      But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.

      Only to someone who can’t read…

      • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
        11·
        14 hours ago

        I have, have you? And here I was thinking asking questions was illegal.

        Quote from the first article you posted

        Not only is Russia far from being penniless, its economy is growing

        So no, it’s not saying that the economy has reached its limits, who you have not “heard it before”

        it supports the opposite of the point you’re trying to make.

        • Photonic@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          13 hours ago

          Funny, you must really be blind or illiterate, because you read right past:

          “Yale’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his four co-authors declared that “business retreats and sanctions are catastrophically crippling  the Russian economy.”

          And

          “Predictions of Russia’s economic meltdown continued into 2023, with the New Republic diagnosing Russia as “going broke fast”

          And

          “Business Insider editors describing Russia’s economy as “spiraling”

          And

          “One of Putin’s own oligarchs, Oleg Deripaska, predicted in March 2023 that Russia may run out of money in 2024”

          Funny how that works. And you wonder why people ask you questions to check your knowledge about a certain topic…

          it supports the opposite of the point you’re trying to make.

          In my initial comment a few days ago, if you can even think that far back (idk, it seems like you might not) I said I will believe it when I see whether or not the Russian economy is actually at its limits. The article supports that. People keep saying it is

          catastrophically crippling

          Or

          meltdown

          Or

          going broke fast

          Or

          spiralling

          Or

          run out of money

          But it wasn’t. And now:

          hits its limits

          So I said I will believe it when I see it. And I will, but I haven’t seen it. That’s all.

          • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
            11·
            13 hours ago

            And none of those said that Russia’s economy had reached its limits, as you claim.

            “Yale’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his four co-authors declared that “business retreats and sanctions are catastrophically crippling  the Russian economy.”

            Looking ahead, there is no path out of economic oblivion for Russia

            “looking ahead”

            “Predictions of Russia’s economic meltdown continued into 2023, with the New Republic diagnosing Russia as “going broke fast”

            In time, Putin will run out of economic bullets

            “in time”

            And

            “Business Insider editors describing Russia’s economy as “spiraling”

            That one just says that the car industry is falling apart, which was true and the auto industry is now pretty much dead.

            “One of Putin’s own oligarchs, Oleg Deripaska, predicted in March 2023 that Russia may run out of money in 2024”

            A Russian businessman worried about his wealth, really?

            So the article you linked doesn’t say what you think it says and links to articles cherry picking quotes to pretend they are saying something they don’t.

            But yeah, it’s becoming clear why you think you’ve been hearing that Russia’s economy has hit its limits because you’re actively sectively reading stuff to pretend that’s what people are saying.

                • Photonic@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  11·
                  13 hours ago

                  In your extremely biased mind where a parallel reality exists they indeed didn’t claim what they claimed.

                  Good boy

                  • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
                    1·
                    13 hours ago

                    I guess only in my biased mind is a prediction about the future not a statement about the present.

                    Learn about the flow of time.