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    He was an informant for the “good guys” government. He was a bastard.

    I LOVE 1984 (and We, and Brave New World and others like it) but I fucking hate that guy as a person.

    Just watched a 84 year old woman get arrested for calmly speaking her viewpoints in public. If that isn’t thoughtcrime then idk wtf is.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell's_list

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      Interesting that the article you link actually makes Orwell seem sympathetic.

      This motherfucker put his life on the line fighting fascism in Catalonia and saw what became of people under Soviet-dominated communism. He decided the oppression of capitalist democracy was less than the oppression of communist totalatarianism and acted accordingly.

      I guess if you’re a tankie, this is unacceptable.

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        Nope not a tankie at all and actually quite anti communist. Try again.

        But if you don’t see the parallels of acting like thoughtcontrol and hyper surveillance is the epitome of evil and doing the same kind of hyper surveillance and thought control back but just for the government you agree with is wrong then idk what to tell you.

        Providing info for a secret British Foreign Office propaganda unit with a list of 38 individuals he suspected of being secret communists or Soviet sympathizers is not the actions a person who cares about thought control would do. Also he suspected is another huge point to this.

        And its interesting you would point out that he thought being under the flavor of brutal controlling government the UK was offering was going to be better on a post of an 84 year old woman being arrested on the street corner in the UK (same government he fed names to) for daring to say her thoughts out loud on the actions if said government participating in a genocide. Thoughts that didn’t align with the Ministry oops I meant Monarchy.

        Come on now…

        The fact that you think that article which says he fed information to a propaganda unit that he THOUGHT was sympathizing with the enemy to be targeted by that government highlights a lack of critical thinking on your part in my opinion. That’s the shit communist countries do with secret police. Why is it ok if its a European country?

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          I read Homage to Catalonia and I can’t bring myself to shit on Orwell without understanding his perspective.

          And, yes, compartively, life in the domestic UK was better than in the USSR. Where would you rather be living in 1947? 1957? 1967? 1977?

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            life in the domestic UK was better than in the USSR

            And what about life in the British colonies? The problem with people like Orwell is that they’re only concerned with oppression when it affects people like them.

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              Abslutely! I specified “domestic UK” for that very reason.

              Was Orwell engaging in anti-communist activity in colonies? would be my next question.

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      There’s a lot of propaganda around Orwell in an effort to discredit him purely because he threatened the USSR party elite’s power, and it persists to this day because those same writings threaten the party elites of the PRC.