I imagine no government is all bad to everyone. China has had a tremendous amount of success in improving the lives of the average citizen, but we shouldn’t gloss over criticism purely on that basis.
China vs US is like Democrat vs Republican. Like yeah, if you are both going to spy on me, shred human rights, throw people in concentration camps, force me into wage slavery, censor my voice, invade other countries, and on and on, I’d prefer to go with the one who also gives me housing, clean water, usable roads, healthcare, and a modicum of decency.
But it would be great to get those benefits and not have the horror show behind it.
The mobile execution van, for me and many people in America, fits in the same category as above. “At least I would get healthcare and roads and a place to live.”
In fact, I think the vans in China specifically are better than the American execution squads. At least in China they are publicly named for the purpose and there is a public trial.
In America you never know if this one today is going to execute you or not, and if they do it’s without arrest or trial. It’s just some unaccountable badge who’s pissed off and can’t get to his wife to take it out on because he’s at work.
Which part of America do you live in, exactly? Because I looked out the window and there’s no roving bands of murder cops deciding who’s going to get blown away that day.
I mean yes you do see a lot of stuff on the news about cops shooting people for no reason (ACAB,) the last thing I’m going to do is defend the police. But there’s a big difference between a cop shooting someone for a reason which may or may not be justified, and the state sending a van to your house to kill you. Those two things are not the same, and in no univese is the van better than the alternative.
May or may not be justified?! I’m sure some of the people China targets also “may or may” have deserved it in the exact same way!
I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but we do have roving bands of murder cops who decide who to kill on a whim. We have literal gangs who hunt down and murder people for fun in our largest and most liberal cities, and cops from small towns are somehow even more terrifying. It is absolutely tone deaf to think our cops are a gotcha against any country.
If anything, the most disappointing thing about China is how well they seem to be following our playbook. Most of the evil things they do were done worse by America, and with everything in China that is genuinely worse than the US, we’re quickly catching up. You cannot whataboutism China as an American; the US isn’t even the winning side anymore.
Not the one you live in. Clearly. It’s closer to me than “a lot of stuff on the news” so I can’t be so flippant about it. But, I can understand how if they’re both just distant cries because the cops don’t target you, you fear the one that has been yelled at you more in the news.
Edit: just out of curiosity I wanted to see the percentage of the population executed by China in a year. It’s .00017143%
Cops in America kill .00038421% of the population every year. That’s more than twice as many. Ice disappeared 4,000 people this last year, before they changed how it was recorded on their website so we couldn’t track them like that anymore. That’s .00104167%, a whole order of magnitude more than China.
Again, clearly it doesn’t involve you, so I’m sure you don’t care, but there’s the facts.
I imagine no government is all bad to everyone. China has had a tremendous amount of success in improving the lives of the average citizen, but we shouldn’t gloss over criticism purely on that basis.
China vs US is like Democrat vs Republican. Like yeah, if you are both going to spy on me, shred human rights, throw people in concentration camps, force me into wage slavery, censor my voice, invade other countries, and on and on, I’d prefer to go with the one who also gives me housing, clean water, usable roads, healthcare, and a modicum of decency.
But it would be great to get those benefits and not have the horror show behind it.
I’d rather have the one without moble execution vans
We live in different Americas.
The mobile execution van, for me and many people in America, fits in the same category as above. “At least I would get healthcare and roads and a place to live.”
In fact, I think the vans in China specifically are better than the American execution squads. At least in China they are publicly named for the purpose and there is a public trial.
In America you never know if this one today is going to execute you or not, and if they do it’s without arrest or trial. It’s just some unaccountable badge who’s pissed off and can’t get to his wife to take it out on because he’s at work.
Which part of America do you live in, exactly? Because I looked out the window and there’s no roving bands of murder cops deciding who’s going to get blown away that day.
I mean yes you do see a lot of stuff on the news about cops shooting people for no reason (ACAB,) the last thing I’m going to do is defend the police. But there’s a big difference between a cop shooting someone for a reason which may or may not be justified, and the state sending a van to your house to kill you. Those two things are not the same, and in no univese is the van better than the alternative.
May or may not be justified?! I’m sure some of the people China targets also “may or may” have deserved it in the exact same way!
I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but we do have roving bands of murder cops who decide who to kill on a whim. We have literal gangs who hunt down and murder people for fun in our largest and most liberal cities, and cops from small towns are somehow even more terrifying. It is absolutely tone deaf to think our cops are a gotcha against any country.
If anything, the most disappointing thing about China is how well they seem to be following our playbook. Most of the evil things they do were done worse by America, and with everything in China that is genuinely worse than the US, we’re quickly catching up. You cannot whataboutism China as an American; the US isn’t even the winning side anymore.
Not the one you live in. Clearly. It’s closer to me than “a lot of stuff on the news” so I can’t be so flippant about it. But, I can understand how if they’re both just distant cries because the cops don’t target you, you fear the one that has been yelled at you more in the news.
Edit: just out of curiosity I wanted to see the percentage of the population executed by China in a year. It’s .00017143%
Cops in America kill .00038421% of the population every year. That’s more than twice as many. Ice disappeared 4,000 people this last year, before they changed how it was recorded on their website so we couldn’t track them like that anymore. That’s .00104167%, a whole order of magnitude more than China.
Again, clearly it doesn’t involve you, so I’m sure you don’t care, but there’s the facts.
I mean, they’ve been great to rich people.