Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently made headlines for calling perennial Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein “predatory” and “not serious.” AOC is right.

Giving voters more choices is a good thing for democracy. But third-party politics isn’t performance art. It’s hard work — which Stein is not doing. As AOC observed: “[When] all you do is show up once every four years to speak to people who are justifiably pissed off, but you’re just showing up once every four years to do that, you’re not serious.”

To be clear: AOC was not critiquing third parties as a whole, or the idea that we need more choices in our democracy. In fact, AOC specifically cited the Working Families Party as an example of an effective third party. The organization I lead, MoveOn, supports their 365-day-a-year efforts to build power for a pro-voter, multi-party system. And I understand third parties’ power to activate voters hungry for alternatives: I myself volunteered for Ralph Nader in 2000, and that experience helped shape my lifelong commitment to people-first politics.


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    A spoiler is something that only exists in the mind of Liberals

    Math. You’re disagreeing with math. Or are completely unaware of how FPTP voting works (I know this isn’t the case).

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      Math has nothing to do with the fact that we are not Democrats, so we would not vote for a Democrat. That’s like trying to say math is the reason you won’t vote Republican

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        I’m not making any distinction between non votes and 3rd party votes. From a purely electoral perspective a Stein voter is the same as someone who doesn’t show up. This is why people are rightfully frustrated with them. It’s a pretty simple concept and the only response is usually “not uh!”.

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          People are upset with 3rd party voters because they won’t fall in line and do what the DNC wants them to do. The DNC feels entitled to every vote not cast for a Republican. If they want our vote they need to earn it, and they never have.

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            I don’t care about the reasoning you make for your actions. We’re talking about the results of those actions.

            You will affect the race in one of two ways regardless of what you do. You will either benefit Party A or Party B, those parties being the two largest parties, aka Democrats and Republicans. Non votes and 3rd party votes benefit the smaller party, which is the GOP. This is an absolute fact within a FPTP system, even if you can’t accept it because of the obvious implications.

            If you feel the GOP has done more to earn your support, that’s your call. I just think that’s some next level dumbassery.

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                You will affect the race in one of two ways regardless of what you do. You will either benefit Party A or Party B, those parties being the two largest parties, aka Democrats and Republicans.

                When a 3rd party becomes larger than the Democratic or Republican party, you would be correct. That is not the case, so you’re still incorrect.

                So in your opinion what makes the GOP more deserving of your support compared to the Democrats?

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                    And yet when you look at this from the perspective of voting in the general election, everyone is going to support one of them regardless. Unless you can explain how a 3rd party will realistically win the election or how the GOP winning is beneficial. Why can’t you explain that?

                    So again, why do you want to support the GOP over the Democrats?

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                  If you have to go back 160 years, maybe that should tell you something about how realistic it is.

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                You are incorrect. While a vote for the GOP candidate certainly carries more weight, it doesn’t mean they don’t benefit from non/3rd party votes. That is how FPTP voting works.

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                    Non/3rd party votes make it easier for the SMALLER party to win, and that happens to be the GOP here. This is just how FPTP voting works.

                    There are two possible outcomes, how could your actions not benefit one of the two possible winners?

                    I get that it feels icky, especially when someone views voting as a way to send a message or present their own moral views, but that’s not what voting is. Not in the general election at least.

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            Third parties are not bothering to earn your votes either. They put in zero work except for presidential elections.

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              Thats the only time YOU start paying attention to 3rd parties, by parroting what youve heard from the media, who has a vested interest in keeping the oligarchy in power

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        You don’t have to have be a democrat to vote against fascists.

        I’m not a democrat, but I plan to use my vote strategically, since fascists have a propensity toward murdering their ideological opponents. You can call the DNC fascist all you want, many do, but I’m less inclined to believe that they’ll try to murder leftists vs the US right wing.

        Your ideological purity will not save you from a fascist’s bullet.

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          You’re talking as if the Democrat Ratchet effect is not able to fascism. In case there’s any question, yes, it does

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            Be that as it may, I’ll still use my vote strategically to ensure that the slide toward fascism is as slow as possible, personally. I am not an accelerationist. I feel that I can more effectively perform direct actions, agitate, and educate others in service of leftist ideology during that time. Ideals without sound strategy are little more than masturbatory.

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              We’ve descended into fascism so slowly people can’t see it when it’s standing right there in front of them. That’s why the DNC is always talking about baby steps, incrementalism, small little minute steps to the right. 30 years of small steps to the right has the Democrats embracing war criminals like Dick Cheney.

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        Math literally has everything to do with it. There are entire branches of mathematics dedicated to figuring out ideal voting systems.