Rimu published yet another hit piece against the /0 instance and this time posted it in his own instance comms as well. One of his mods jumped in, admitted they don’t know anything about anything, but nevertheless felt confident enough to state their opinion as fact and in the process insult all of us collectively, then stickied his opinion for good measure.
So I decided to reply sarcastically, at which point that mod insulted me and locked the thread, which is apparently a feature in piefed which simply hides/deletes further replies in that thread, but since it’s not a feature in lemmy, it appears to function like a shadow delete.
This is what my last reply would have been.
(Yes I’m being snarky, but that “I’m so mature” bullshit just rubs me the wrong way.)
In my opinion, using mod powers to get the last insult in, is just bastard behaviour.
As an added facit to this PTB discussion, it looks like Rimu deleted the .world post that had a negate score while keeping the piefed.social one up (which has a positive score).
I believe the world post was removed by the mod of the community
Rimu didn’t delete it; a .world mod removed it (finally).
But didn’t do anything about the other thread about it
Same result, now Rimu can edit the database all he wants to delete critical posts without them going into the mod log.
do these people have control over the piefed instances ones like they do on lemmy. it is starting to make sense why the staments person account had a disagreement with some of the piefed people/admins, maybe it has something to do with allowing this to go on for so long.
PTB, Rimu has been crashing out big time over this for a while and I don’t see it ending well for him. This was all because I called him a Zionist, and I think I was correct because he immediately defended Zionists getting banned from dbzer0.
Hi. Admin of Lemy.lol here.
This does not surprise me. When I joined the Lemy.lol team, I was informed that Rimu had pre-emptively defederated from us sometime ago due to our logo. Pepe the frog. His claim was that it was a symbol of alt-right hatred. There is a debate/discussion to be had around that, especially due to the fact the original creator vehemently stands against the bastardization of his creation, but Rimu refused to engage. His mind had been made up. This situation appears to be no different. He is searching for ‘proof’ to validate his claim of abuse by the administration team of Dbzer0. I suspect this extends from his similarly rabid reaction over the Lemmy.World admin abuse of Anarchist.nexus and its users.
Learning all of this, as well as his added tools to silence people critical of him, I find it both obscenely hypocritical and obscenely suspicious of his behavior here. This accusation appears to be some level of projection, more so than an actual rational conclusion. As we have all learned recently, people who frequently scream one specific conclusion are often guilty of helping come to this conclusion themselves.
Rimu has already been proven to be using a piefed feature to silence dissenting voices.
What else is he doing with Piefed?
Not merely a PTB, but a dangerous one. The developer of Piefed taking these stances deeply shakes all credibility of Piefed as a platform for myself. It appears to be a rebuilding of reddit from the ground up with Spez as its head. It is for this reason that I have fully recommended for Lemy.lol to not have a Piefed instance. Or, at the very least, not a basic piefed instance. We will gladly wait for a fork that has been sanitized.
I say he is building a worst reddit since he programmed social credit score into it
https://mander.xyz/post/46371251/24881755
Every user (remote or local) has an “attitude” which is calculated as follows:
(upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your “attitude” is < 0.0 you can’t downvote.Every account has a Social Credit Score, aka your Reputation. If your account has less than 100 reputation and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your reputation is calculated as
upvotes earned - downvotes earnedaka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can’t create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low:It also violates basic compatibility with the fediverse. https://communick.news/comment/8015757
That’s a painful comment thread to slog through. Usually technical concerns aren’t so clearly demonstrated and explained, and the same mods just derail the topic with astoundingly selective comprehension, just sheer crazymaking.
They ever do anything about that or stop adding in their own stuff to the protocol?
Don’t forget it tracks comment quality as well. So not only it you post memes but gifs or reddits favorite phrase this
PTB. I’m gonna admit rimu’s crashout and meltdown has been quite the spectacle. And running roughshod in the lemmy.world threads knowing he can’t do shit or reply back because he banned me without cause has been kinda fun (and probably is the reason he crossposted to a comm that’s on less neutral grounds), just sucks it comes at the expense of all you fine folks.
And replying right before locking a thread to make sure one gets the last word is absolute pissbaby behaviour. These people actually think they’re being “the adults”, confounding.
i avoid politics.world so i dont get all those drama, which saves me the trouble from meeting these people, tankies love to fester on those communities.
That “shadow lock” thing sounds like a terrible feature. I’m so annoyed too because I posted a real tear of a rant at that one dude suggesting everyone read Proudhon. Buddy, I have got opinions on that kind of thing.
Real talk here though, wtf is going on? Every day there’s some new assault on our instance and every time the thread is dogpiled with crypto-fascists and Zionists.
I’ve been on the net a very long time. I know what a Nazi infiltration looks like. It looks like the temperature on the board suddenly spiking, with huge arguments constantly breaking out that, somehow, magically, always start to turn towards topics that were “just asking questions” in ways to start etching and eroding the community standards. It starts by claiming everyone doing good moderation is a Zionist or a nazi, so they get kicked out and replaced by actual fascists.
I’m not worried about dbzer0 falling. I’m afraid that piefed already has. It did appear rather quickly, offering a slew of features to get folks off Lemmy. Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?
Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?
Not at all. Also wouldn’t surprise me if the people promoting piefed heavily weren’t doing it organically.
a state actor would likely spam propaganda as well, or spam alot of triggering posts. it would be quite obvious too.
I’m not worried about dbzer0 falling. I’m afraid that piefed already has.
Piefed was created out of anti-communist ideology. It isn’t very surprising to me how compatible that page is with crypto-fascism and zionism.
Piefed was created out of anti-communist ideology.
It wasn’t.
It isn’t very surprising to me how compatible that page is with crypto-fascism and zionism.
“Anyone who doesn’t like communism is highly compatible with crypto-fascism and zionism”
I wish I could view the world with a mindset this simple. Everything would be so much easier.
Its literally the explicit reason for it’s creation, from the dev themselves.
See the other thread already discussing how, no, it’s not.
You’ve been proven wrong, sorry you don’t like that.
No I haven’t. Sorry you don’t like that.
So when you’re given screenshots saying why it was made, has built in limits on leftist communities, and the dev has posted in communtiies that are comfortable with Nazis, what is the take away?
The developer of Piefed is at least comfortable with the MeanwhileOnGrad use of ‘tankie’. That’s the poster child community of calling anything left of Kissinger a tankie.
I knew rimu was listening to goat and pugjeasus on mwog but didn’t realize rimu was also posting there 🤮🤦
Null also somehow can’t click this link but said that there is no proof about Rimu
Wow I can’t believe Rimu would delete the page, must be the only reason Null doesn’t see it
What link couldn’t I click?
The one in the comment hightlighted in blue.
The one I clicked? And then identified what I believed to be the one Diva was referencing?
MeanwhileOnGrad, where you’re not allowed to say socialism is good but explicitly comfortable with Nazis
a stated goal of the lead developer was preventing ‘tankies’ from wanting to use the software by baking stuff in.
Null is still insisting that’s not the case, Null can’t read I guess.
You haven’t responded to any of my actual points, so yeah, my points still stand. Keep going though, I love the dogpile.
Dogpiling is when you respond to someone online
If you say so.
I didn’t know all communists were tankies, my bad.
‘tankie’ is routinely used as a pejorative for communists (and anarchists at this point) who aren’t aligned with us imperial ‘foreign policy’
I’m sure you feel that way.
Sir, I have literally no idea who you are. But I’ve seen various mentions of the fact that you’re either an admin or a dev.
Do you genuinely believe this dismissive behavior is going to do you any favors? Because you’re making this look worse.
i would love to hear your opinion tbh
Historically, anti-communist movements suffered from from far right or fascist infiltration. The two go together like peas in a pod. It happened for the White Army, it happened for Mussolini’s red threat, and it obviously happened in Germany via fear of bolshevism.
Don’t be surprised if your anti communist page starts attracting right elements.
I’m afraid that piefed already has.
I’ve been raising this for a while now, especially because the creator also routinely shows up on the comm where people regularly rant about wanting to be free from ‘degenerate roaches’
(former lemmings.world admin plugging piefed as a place where you can be free of ‘degenerates’)
I forgot about the time two months ago when Rimu hung out at the Nazi bar, and PJ convinced him that to dispute calling the 1932–33 famine a genocide is “genocide denial.”
For pj & goat, “genocide denial” is their favorite card to play, like it’s some magic spell.I’ve never encountered rikudou@lemmings.world and have no idea what Rimu’s alt accounts are or were.
I’ve never encountered rikudou@lemmings.world and have no idea what Rimu’s alt accounts are or were.
to be clear i don’t think rikudou is the same person; they were just the admin of lemmings.world who also quit rather ignominiously after talking a big game in that screenshot
And if you report comments that break goat’s own rules, he’ll never remove em because of who reported the comment.
He also has no problem breaking said rules himself, and has straight up said that he doesn’t care when I called him out on it. Massive double standards.
Well the good news is that your reply is still visible from our instance, so at least I get to enjoy it
Real talk here though, wtf is going on? Every day there’s some new assault on our instance and every time the thread is dogpiled with crypto-fascists and Zionists.
You nerds are pretty much at conflict with lemmy.world/piefed because of the kaplan vs anarchistnexus, this is just a continuation of it
The petty tyranny of forum moderation indeed…
does he even know what cryptofascist is? or even a zionist?
deleted by creator
is that like a shadowban? but for specific instance, or a post?
No it’s a mechanism that locks only a comment thread instead of the whole post, meaning no replies can be made to the locked comment or it’s already existing replies. But the post itself can still be commented on, other comments can be replied to etc.
This feature will be in lemmy 1.0 (the next big release) but since the current lemmy version doesn’t have it, a piefed instance can’t tell a lemmy instance “hey no more replies to this comment please”. So the commenters lemmy instance allows the reply, sends it to the piefed instance, the piefed instance silently rejects it (bc. of the lock) and doesn’t send it to the other servers federating. Since the commenter cannot be notified that the comment got rejected they would not know about it unless they look for their comment on the piefed instance.
It’s not a malicious feature, but a technical limitation. The point of this post however is that even if the feature worked as intended on both instances, a mod replying to someone disagreeing and immediately making it impossible to reply to them further is “power tripping bastard” behaviour.
It’s not a malicious feature, but a technical limitation.
Yes, and thank you for not assuming maliciousness at every turn.
a mod replying to someone disagreeing and immediately making it impossible to reply to them further is “power tripping bastard” behaviour.
:monkey-looking-away: Sometimes shitlibbery needs to be corrected without further “debate” on the matter.
That is correct, however in this case it was a mod writing a long ass comment before assessing the situation, telling people to read an old book without clarifying how it relates to the situation and calling the people “wannabe-anarchists”. Then when the offended party gets upset about throws in a snarky one-liner before locking the thread. Which is distinct from telling some shitlib to put some effort into their research
Yeah, definitely sounds spooky when you call it a “shadow lock” weilded by a conspiratorial cabal of zionazi-crypto-fascists.
I can only imagine it’s exhausting to view everything through such an extremist lens.
I didnt suggest a “cabal”, please don’t put Nazi language in my mouth.
I was also called spooky, kook, paranoid, and other X-Files derived insults way back before Ed Snowden proved the US government (and others) actually were spying on everyone and actually had infiltrated or partnered with every major tech company and several standards committees to ensure that emerging communication tech would be susceptible to centralization, subversion, and espionage.
I’ll consider it a badge of honor to be called an extremist when the alternative is naively wandering into a propaganda mill.
There have been multiple attempts recently to discredit our admins and justify unilateral defederation. That’s weird. When we’ve talked about defederating in the past, a governance thread is opened, the case is presented, and we vote on it.
https://vger.to/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/67198913
This isn’t always true, we recently defederated from feddit.org through pure admin fiat, but an announcement thread was opened to explain why, and I never had the impression that the decision couldn’t be questioned or debated if someone felt strongly about it.Edit: my mistake, please see db0’s correction.
And I’m not saying every instance must follow our rules or procedures, but db0 and the admins continue to impress me with how they run this ship and put into stark contrast how dictatorial and secretive the governance of most instances\forums is. I’m happy to not carry that responsibility, so I can act like a provocative extremist and try to shake people into thinking more critically.
I’m also not necessarily trying to claim that Piefed and it’s instances are ops, I’m asking how would it look different if they were? Being guileless is not a protection against exploitation, quite the opposite in fact.
Here’s the feddit.org voting thread https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?
A cabal is a group of people who are united in some close design, usually to promote their private views or interests in an ideology, a state, or another community, often by intrigue and usually without the knowledge of those who are outside their group.
Etymology
The term cabal is derived from Kabbalah (a word that has numerous spelling variations), the Jewish mystical interpretation of the Hebrew scripture (קַבָּלָה). In Hebrew, it means “received doctrine” or “tradition”, while in European culture (Christian Cabala, Hermetic Qabalah) it became associated with occult doctrine or a secret.
Okay…
Anyways, my point is that you did indeed imply that Rimu might be part of “a group of people who are united in some close design, usually to promote their private views or interests in an ideology, a state, or another community, often by intrigue and usually without the knowledge of those who are outside their group.”
My claim was that piefed development and instantiation could be influenced by state actors. If it wasn’t clear from my other response, I believe such a thing is possible because the state (specifically the United States of America via it’s clandestine spy agencies) has been documented as having done so before. Other countries, like China, Russia, and Isreal (and the USA) have all also been credibly accused of shaping public discourse with paid actors, bots, and various other accusations that get tossed around regularly. Creating chaos, destroying the ability to perceive any piece of information as being true or real, these are the goals of numerous agencies and actors.
Rimu can just be an ideological patsy, they don’t have to be “in on it” if their behavior aligns with authoritarian goals naturally. That’s the basis of modern decentralized fascism: stochastic terror, disinformation, layers of control mediated by regulation and economics to isolate the decision makers from the soldiers.
I don’t need to imagine a “cabal” when an open conspiracy of pedophile billionaires demonstrably rules the planet. The subtle shifting you made in my argument from those implied authoritarians to the language of “cabal” seeks to associate my argument with a fascist dog whistle for the secret Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. It’s the same as if you’d claimed I was implying that Rimu is a “globalist.” Those words mean more than just their definitions taken from the first paragraph of Wikipedia.
Everyone might be a state actor or ideological patsy ushering in fascism on this glorious day!
You’re the only one stating that position dickwad.
Did you read the comment I replied to, dipshit?
Yes I actually did, and you conflated two completely separate claims into one. What the user you were replying to said was:
That “shadow lock” thing sounds like a terrible feature. […]
And later…
Real talk here though, wtf is going on? Every day there’s some new assault on our instance and every time the thread is dogpiled with crypto-fascists and Zionists.
And you came back with:
Yeah, definitely sounds spooky when you call it a “shadow lock” weilded by a conspiratorial cabal of zionazi-crypto-fascists.
Which is completely misrepresenting what the user was actually saying.
Don’t pretend they weren’t implying Rimu is one of those Zionist and crypto-fascists.
That’s what your comment implied. Not his.
Keep telling yourself that, I guess.
when I calmly explained that the tool I created did not, in fact, automagically upload a users entire history to ChatGPT, @Rimu@piefed.social just straight up said he wasn’t interested in anything I had to say. he would rather stick to the egregious ignorance he displayed in his post than accept that he was wrong. he keeps making new threads about it and getting ratio’d by his own users because he would rather refuse to listen to the literal dozens of people telling him he’s making a huge fuss about nothing, than admit he was wrong or overreacted.
of course we’ve seen how well that’s gone for him.
He seems to have enough dipshits trying to back him up.
Who also seem to be fans of lying.
Clear PTB.
Also a nonsensical thread to start with, all conjecture (but calling it fact). I believe someone has misplaced their poop knife or other shit stirring tool, and its making posts.
Edit: To be clear, I’m talking about the lack of mod action on what is a pretty obvious shit stirring / drama farming post, but instead making an incredibly illogical and uninformed comment about it instead, then taking mod action on snark - while also throwing insults around.
Curbstickle, it is not “all conjecture.” The thread says it was an AI-assisted ban, and it is one.
People should also be aware that you have been advocating for the use of AI to ban people, a position that is so extreme that even the db0 moderators explicitly deny doing it.
Nah that dude would have been bannerd regardless of an LLM, he’s such a lying hasbarabot it’s blatant. The LLM was being tested out, found lacking (and hence discarded) but in this one case produced output which closely matched what the admin had seen themself and so they just used that instead of writing it on their own.
Oh, now you’re just lying dude.
I said it makes sense to leverage them to summarize. I never said to use as an automod. Don’t lie about what I said.
I never claimed your in favor of automodding (curious lie to make up). Simply that you’re in favor of using AI instead of your own eyes to review comments.
Bullshit you just fucking did.
I said AI is handy to summarize. You said use it to moderate. Normally I’d just block someone like you, but I want to make sure I can report you when you lie again.
I said AI is handy to summarize
…for making moderation decisions. Using AI in the moderation process instead of a human review. That’s so extreme not even Flatworm (The person who generated the AI report) is willing to claim they did.
It’s weird you turned into such a pedant after telling me words in quote marks don’t need to be exact quotes. Selective outrage I guess
It’s not an either/or situation. I manually reviewed it, came to a conclusion, then generated the AI summary to see if it was any good. And then I manually banned that user. You are implying a much bigger role for AI than it actually played.
Does that mean the ban reason in the mod log isn’t the ban reason?
- What value did you get out of the AI generation when deciding on the ban (assuming none based on your reply)?
- Maybe more importantly, what value are you attributing to it for those who actually read the logs?
Were the quotes in the AI summary actually used for “seeing if it was any good” at the time, and if so, what was the concision?
LYING AGAIN.
Using AI to summarize and find the comments, then a person reviews, which I said HOURS before you commented.
Stop making shit up.
A person reviews… The summary? The one with incorrect quotes (which doesn’t bother you for some reason)? Even Flatworm claims the AI summary was not used in their moderation decision.
the summary did a much more comprehensive justification of the ban than I could have fitted in the modlog, so why not include it?
You can keep being pedantic, but you’re calling for more AI in the moderation than even db0 admins want to endorse.
And here I am, scrolling through Lemmy like normal when I’ll randomly catch glimpses of apparent Lemmy drama like this.
I don’t really understand what’s going on or who’s at fault, all I know is every time there’s some kind of instance-vs-instance bullshit, everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else and I just think “fuck it, I don’t have the mental capacity to focus on trying to completely pull myself away from the bullshit”
It’s all good. Just grab the pop-corn and enjoy the fireworks :D
- Does your instance ban people based on the output of chatbots?
- If yes to #1, do you require people who object to their bans to argue against the output of these chatbots?
- Were you aware that the chatbot-generated ban reason contains quotes that do not exist? And if you were, did you ever say so?
- No
If you don’t ban people for reasons generated by LLMs, why did you put the output of an LLM at the top of your reason for banning someone?
This makes question 3 even more pertinent.
Follow the discussions and you’ll see unruffled explaining what happened
Flatworm7591’s comments do not add clarity, which is why I’m asking you here.
Finally, just because I included an LLM summary of the comment history in the public modlog, it does not logically follow that the ban occurred because of the LLM summary. It simply happened to correspond very well to my own manual review
- They claim they had a manual review process, but never show their work. (If they did, where is it?)
- They imply they didn’t use the LLM to ban the user, but they don’t say it outright.
I prefer transparency and straightforward language. Not this.
Bring it up in the appropriate comms, it’s out of scope for this thread
@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com comments?
PTB. I’ve been annoyed with the Lemmy devs for their tankie bs and transphobia; it’s disappointing seeing the main Piefed dev get into stupid nonsense drama slapfights, especially when they’re indirectly carrying water for Zionist apologia
Discourse works much better when we stick to “I …” statements rather than “you …” statements.
Try speaking for oneself rather than labeling and defining and castigating others.
Wow such petty behaviour from a ‘50 year old’. You would think @Libb@piefed.social would act more mature.
that is the definition of chronically online, or parasocial behaviour. i followed some ytubers one time, and during the pandemic they changed politically and have these 50+year old grown ass woman(groupies of asian dudes) patrolling thier channel trying to stamp out criticism of the channel owners , whom they dont know personally, a channel geared towards 20-30s fangirls or incels. kinda similar.
Rimu definitely pretty pathetic but this whole thing is pretty childish.
Its been unlocked by null btw
The whole there’s locked now.
Yeah, snoopy announced they would after null unlocked db0’s comment.
Explains why the trash is meandering this way.
PTB . Those type of people think they are smart with their pretense of ignorance. The brauty of the block is that you can still see and comment on peoole theu block you
I deserved my thread locked because some other unrelated discussion?
Easily
Top Hexbear minds at work here folks
Are you having a stroke?
