How do you have accountability on tech firms and not the parents without the dystopian age verification tools being added everywhere.
Facebook needs a way to verify.
There’s pretty much two options
Mandatory age verification in the software/os/requiring things like Persona which is a privacy nightmare. Even privacy focused zero knowledge proof systems embed it into our infrastructure which is a disaster waiting to happen and arent 100% private as governments arent willing to properly and truly make them. (yes I know ZKP systems are in EU but they weren’t designed to be 100% private with absolutely no tracking of anything. They still get some info about how the system is being used)
Put the onus on the parents to set up their computers properly so their kids cant access certain content, and put the onus on the parents to choose what their children should see on those devices. Then make social media companies respect those settings if a computer configured with them tries to connect. If a child finds a device that isnt blocked properly, oh well, to bad so sad.
This person’s comment describes, I think aptly, why we need to do more than just say “ID verification is dangerous”, despite it being 100% true and necessary to say. And some good ideas on ID alternatives from the same thread here to consider: Transperancy on what data was used to determine the kind of ad you’re seeing, clearer marking of sponsorships/ad placement, legal frameworks to have tech companies change to have LLMs cite sources more accurately to reduce misinformation.
The idea of building this into our core infrastructure where we give up the ability to control it ourselves is the really fucking scary part.
In the EU for example they are using single use tokens.
If you want to go to a site that requires age verification, you maybe have 10 tokens, and you give them one.
When you run out of tokens, you have to ask the government for more.
That’s a huge risk built into our system now where the government can arbitrarily stop issuing tokens to individuals, or at large, and just lock that content off like a kill switch, and it would be at their discretion.
e.g Government: Oh, your using too many adult tokens… we won’t issue any more until next month!
Or what if something around issuing tokens is taken down in a cyber attack and everyones usage is disrupted.
It’s a governments wet dream to have this level of control built into the infrastructure, no matter what kind of safeguards they claim to have.
There could also be preprogrammed kid-only devices, and the responsible guardian has to show their physical ID (but NO recording of data-- like buying alcohol) to prove account ownership as the guardian for the user of that device. That makes it easier for non-tech savvy guardians, while also keeping them responsible.
How do you have accountability on tech firms and not the parents without the dystopian age verification tools being added everywhere.
Facebook needs a way to verify.
There’s pretty much two options
Mandatory age verification in the software/os/requiring things like Persona which is a privacy nightmare. Even privacy focused zero knowledge proof systems embed it into our infrastructure which is a disaster waiting to happen and arent 100% private as governments arent willing to properly and truly make them. (yes I know ZKP systems are in EU but they weren’t designed to be 100% private with absolutely no tracking of anything. They still get some info about how the system is being used)
Put the onus on the parents to set up their computers properly so their kids cant access certain content, and put the onus on the parents to choose what their children should see on those devices. Then make social media companies respect those settings if a computer configured with them tries to connect. If a child finds a device that isnt blocked properly, oh well, to bad so sad.
This person’s comment describes, I think aptly, why we need to do more than just say “ID verification is dangerous”, despite it being 100% true and necessary to say. And some good ideas on ID alternatives from the same thread here to consider: Transperancy on what data was used to determine the kind of ad you’re seeing, clearer marking of sponsorships/ad placement, legal frameworks to have tech companies change to have LLMs cite sources more accurately to reduce misinformation.
Ya, that’s probably a good idea.
The idea of building this into our core infrastructure where we give up the ability to control it ourselves is the really fucking scary part.
In the EU for example they are using single use tokens.
If you want to go to a site that requires age verification, you maybe have 10 tokens, and you give them one.
When you run out of tokens, you have to ask the government for more.
That’s a huge risk built into our system now where the government can arbitrarily stop issuing tokens to individuals, or at large, and just lock that content off like a kill switch, and it would be at their discretion.
e.g Government: Oh, your using too many adult tokens… we won’t issue any more until next month!
Or what if something around issuing tokens is taken down in a cyber attack and everyones usage is disrupted.
It’s a governments wet dream to have this level of control built into the infrastructure, no matter what kind of safeguards they claim to have.
There could also be preprogrammed kid-only devices, and the responsible guardian has to show their physical ID (but NO recording of data-- like buying alcohol) to prove account ownership as the guardian for the user of that device. That makes it easier for non-tech savvy guardians, while also keeping them responsible.