i think it might in theory

  • kevincox@lemmy.mlEnglish
    3·
    9 months ago

    People have different definitions of “the fediverse”. To some people fediverse is ActivityPub, but to some people it is any federated protocol.

    SMTP is a federated protocol, so some people would consider it part of the fediverse.

    POP3 isn’t federated, it is standardized but different POP3 servers don’t connect to each other in regular process of the protocol.

  • zeppo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    01·
    9 months ago

    Fediverse is ActivityPub. Email is not, though the theory is somewhat similar.

      • zeppo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        9 months ago

        The others listed are bluesky, nostra and farcast. I suppose we could count protocols that nobody uses…

          • zeppo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0·
            9 months ago

            The mention of email is

            Even so, much like how users of one email service such as Gmail can still send emails to users of another service such as Outlook, users may still view content and interact with users on any other instance in the fediverse

            which implicitly says email is not considered part of the fediverse by comparing the two.

            • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
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              9 months ago

              that’s not what the quoted text says at all… let’s rephrase this:

              much like how users of one lemmy service such as lemmy.world can still reply to users of another service such as kbin.social, users may still view content and interact with users on any other instance in bluesky

              this doesn’t say that lemmy/kbin isn’t part of the fediverse. it takes no position on that fact, merely saying that the things conceptually work in a similar manner

              • zeppo@lemmy.worldEnglish
                0·
                9 months ago

                Your rephrasing changed it qualitatively. Of course it takes no position on whether Lemmy is part of the Fediverse considering it now does not have the word Fediverse in it.

                • thantik@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  0·
                  9 months ago

                  Is the “fediverse” some sort of secret club that I’m unaware of or something?

                  The whole idea of the “fediverse” is that some aspect of it is cross-company, and federated across instances. Email fits that term exactly. The wiki entry doesn’t exclude email via the comparison, if anything it makes more of an argument that email is one of the first federated services to exist. The “fediverse” is just the collection of those federated services.

    • jimmy90@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      0·
      9 months ago

      fair enough, i wonder if there are lessons to learn from email that can help the fediverse

      • edric@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        Well for one, email is inherently insecure, so not sure if the fediverse can learn from that. It’s already not private.

          • edric@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            9 months ago

            Exactly, that was my point. Email as it is, is insecure, because you can’t encrypt it and make it work universally unless everyone else does.

              • edric@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                English isn’t my first language so I might be using “inherently” incorrectly, but I thought it means:

                in a way that exists as a natural or basic part of something

                So in its basic and natural form, email is not secure. It wasn’t designed as such. Full E2E encryption was only implemented recently by certain providers within their own domains, and won’t work across the board unless all of them cooperate, which won’t happen.