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  • is art more the ability to draw or the idea the image expresses?

    is art the ability to buy a toilet or a banana and gaffer tape, or the idea behind putting a sign on a toilet in a gallery, or taping a banana to a wall?

    ai art is shit not because people can’t draw. ai art is shit because there’s more often than not very little thought put into the comment behind the image

    the creation of ai art is problematic because of the source training data, and the economic and environmental damage that ai data centres are causing… but those things aren’t inherent to the medium (adobes image gen for example - as awful as adobe is - was 100% trained on media that they own and paid for licenses for. it’s still damaging in other ways, but i could imagine efficiency improvements that make this part less problematic too)





  • Pup Biru@aussie.zonetoPolitical Memes@lemmy.world•You are here
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    consciousness is less relevant… a paperclip making ai doesn’t need consciousness to convert the world into paperclips

    self improvement without a human in the loop is legitimately close, and once that happens it’s possible we lose control and alignment becomes incredibly difficult (alignment with human values is inefficient, so removing that barrier is low hanging fruit)

    viruses also aren’t conscious or even definitively alive, but because they can effect the world on their own (which ai now can too to some degree), they can negatively impact us because they’re not aligned with the things we’d like

    and on consciousness too, if you believe our brain is just chemical and electrical processes and there’s nothing more, we are just a big statistics machine, so there’s nothing technically stopping some program from being conscious, and in that case it’s kinda the “million monkeys at a million typewriters” situation… if AI speeds up AI development then things get exponential, and when you speed things up 1,000,000x who’s to say it doesn’t stumble onto a solution - it doesn’t even have to look anything like current models in that case… in 32 seconds it’ll have (theoretically; i’m not saying that’s possible or anything) completed a years worth of improvement, and models from a year ago were significantly less capable

    there’s also emergent behaviour, and plenty of other weird things (heck LLMs in general are kinda emergent behavour… we didn’t think that simply increasing size would lead to the structure and behaviour that we see)




  • Pup Biru@aussie.zonetoProgrammer Humor@programming.dev•Yeah use AI.. luddite
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    21 days ago

    the luddites were taylors and the like fighting against being replaced by machines for various reasons, including child labour, low wages for machine operators, and low quality product

    imo child labour laws are the way to solve the first problem: that’s, imo, unrelated to industrialisation/mechanisation

    lower wages are a product of lowering the barrier to entry: when anyone can do the same job, that is not a bad thing… it’s sad that an industry of people are pushed out of their profession, but we’d never say the same of coal: coal miners should realise that their industry is not going to exist any more, and retrain,… i have empathy for them, which is why we need to provide social programs to cover industries that get made redundant for any reason, but that’s not a reason to deny the rest of humanity the plenty that inevitably comes from industrialisation

    and low quality product is only really an issue at the very start of industrialisation… i guarantee these days we can make higher quality clothing in 100x the quantity than we can with artisans and hand stitching… machines always get better, but only if there’s effort put into using them


  • Pup Biru@aussie.zonetoProgrammer Humor@programming.dev•Yeah use AI.. luddite
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    yeah… as i said, they had a point in the moment

    in 2026 we have retraining programs and social security programs… these are the solutions to industrialisation; not ignorance… the longer you fight industrialisation the harder it hits because rather than happening gradually it happens all at once and society has a harder time absorbing it


  • Pup Biru@aussie.zonetoProgrammer Humor@programming.dev•Yeah use AI.. luddite
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    21 days ago

    the “article” that doesn’t mention luddites at all until a comment at the end that kinda agrees with what i’m saying or the wikipedia article that points out the luddites issues being about labour and generally being replaced by machines? i know very well the nuance of the luddite movement and their main good points, as i said, were about labour issues (mostly solved with labour laws on modern society) and the takeaway isn’t about technology but about how to deal with technology replacing people’s jobs

    replacing artisans with machines that do a good enough or better job is a good thing, as painful as it is… it means more people get more of the thing… artisans instead of machines is a waste… humans are the most inefficient general machine we have… having a human make clothing is a cost on society


  • an LLM frequently writes shit tests… you’re just moving the architecture problem: either you properly understand and review the initial code, which means you catch not just binary “correct input/output” but also performance, layout, DRY, style, heaps of things

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    you properly review the tests because “passing” doesn’t mean tested


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    i definitely agree, but plenty leading to waste doesn’t mean that plenty is a bad thing

    having enough food to not worry about food waste is definitively a good problem to have. ideally we don’t have food waste because we don’t have enough food for everyone, but just because plenty leads to waste at least initially isn’t an argument against plenty



  • i’d say it’s not quite like a compiler because you still need to know what the code does… a compiler you largely don’t care, and it’s deterministic… an LLM hallucinates, so you can’t just trust it, which means you have to be able to assess when it’s doing the wrong thing

    i agree that setting an agent going helping you learn a codebase is reasonable, largely because it can quickly point out connections in the code quicker than you can understand the architecture, and its guesses are usually just as good as your guesses until you get knowledgeable with the codebase

    however, and that’s a very load-bearing however, i don’t think you should just jump into a codebase and just go ahead and tell the LLM to write new code without understanding what it’s done… the understanding is exactly what this graph is trying to show: actually learning is critical, so your review of the code becomes doubly important: you’re gaining institutional knowledge, and you’re making sure the output isn’t slop