Western corps have money in mind when they collect data, whether legally or illegally, and use it to increase sales or fuck over competitors. They don’t work together in a coordinated way to help a particular government work an agenda.
All Chinese corps that work internationally are compelled to work for the party. If that means allowing access to customer data or actively collecting certain types of data then they do it. This means it’s possible to correlate massive amounts of data from many sources in a way that is not feasible for western governments.
Consider, what if China wanted to know where the PM was at any point in time, anywhere in the world? They have access to data collected by every Chinese phone app and every Chinese EV. They could start by identifying the devices owned by the PM’s staff or friends via TikTok, WeChat, Aliexpress, Temu, or a car’s user profile. A lot of users just click “allow all” which gives the app access to contacts, browsing data, etc.
From there they could identify the PM’s devices, even if they have no Chinese software on them, by correlating the mac addresses of devices and their location. If he makes a public appearance and several identified people are seen with him then it gets even easier. Once the PM’s devices’ mac addresses are identified they can be tracked anytime they, or his staff, get within 100 feet of a BYD car or phone running a Chinese app (where the user enabled all privileges).
CIA champions of US help out the CIA back. Same with its allies industrial giants. Nothing stops, and noone goes to jail when Snowden tells you what they’re doing. All of the AI companies tell us that US must race to Skynet… or China wins. The extreme corruption and oppression that is US led is galaxies wider than anything you can accuse China of. US needs to steal all of our money to benefit Israel and Oligarchy. Pure evil corruption needs extreme evil control and oppression. China is just making better stuff, and improving people’s lives as best it can.
I was with you on that, upvoting, until that last line… because of the “just”. It’s doing other stuff too, and much more left out besides “improving people’s lives as best it can”.
China is just making better stuff, and improving people’s lives as best it can.
China is just making better stuff, and improving people’s lives as best it can.
And I responded to that with the specific criticism:
I was with you on that, upvoting, until that last line… because of the “just”. It’s doing other stuff too, and much more left out besides “improving people’s lives as best it can”.
and that you’ve said
I can address specific criticisms.
and have avoided doing so after queried
shall you?
with
can’t address “other stuff”
is that to say [/double-down] that the only thing China is doing is “making better stuff”? And to misdirect from the rest of the specific criticism? Again the implication in the wording being there is nothing else that China does. This is your contention, yes? Have I correctly understood what you’re saying?
… Because a 2 second websearch can reveal there’s other stuff going on. But you’re saying … there is no other stuff? or that you need the other stuff to be specific before you can address the criticism that there’s other stuff besides the very narrow framing you used of “just”? Sorry, I’m struggling to follow your thinking here, with what little given to go on here so far. Maybe you can help clarify? … Or concede [that there is other stuff that China does besides just improving people’s lives as best it can][~ as looking for a second, or even base conception, [or even asking the CCP themselves, [in case saying “China” meant them]], confirms]?
Y’know? It’s not a big point… it’s not hard… so to be evasive like that, does evoke curiosity as to what psychology or corruption may be afoot.
“other stuff” is the opposite of specific criticism. Extreme smears and lies exist in propaganda to diminish others, and just google all the accusations, is not a good way to be informed.
I agree that China is different in this regard. The gov’t has superiority over the private sector. That has pros and cons.
Western corps have money in mind when they collect data, whether legally or illegally, and use it to increase sales or fuck over competitors. They don’t work together in a coordinated way to help a particular government work an agenda.
I just can’t agree with that based on my observations. Private firms working with the government on profit-driven agendas has been happening for a long time. The gov’t very often hires private firm insiders at decisionmaking positions. And then when the gov’t has a non-profit agenda, private corporations still cooperate because it means better chance to cooperate on a for-profit agenda in the future. This is the economic basis of fascism. All of that is occurring south of the border as we speak.
I understand what you’re saying even if I don’t agree and I don’t expect you to agree with what I’m saying on this one.
E: I find it’s a lot more useful to think that private firms drive gov’t agendas in our systems, not the other way around.
China is different from the western world.
Western corps have money in mind when they collect data, whether legally or illegally, and use it to increase sales or fuck over competitors. They don’t work together in a coordinated way to help a particular government work an agenda.
All Chinese corps that work internationally are compelled to work for the party. If that means allowing access to customer data or actively collecting certain types of data then they do it. This means it’s possible to correlate massive amounts of data from many sources in a way that is not feasible for western governments.
Consider, what if China wanted to know where the PM was at any point in time, anywhere in the world? They have access to data collected by every Chinese phone app and every Chinese EV. They could start by identifying the devices owned by the PM’s staff or friends via TikTok, WeChat, Aliexpress, Temu, or a car’s user profile. A lot of users just click “allow all” which gives the app access to contacts, browsing data, etc.
From there they could identify the PM’s devices, even if they have no Chinese software on them, by correlating the mac addresses of devices and their location. If he makes a public appearance and several identified people are seen with him then it gets even easier. Once the PM’s devices’ mac addresses are identified they can be tracked anytime they, or his staff, get within 100 feet of a BYD car or phone running a Chinese app (where the user enabled all privileges).
CIA champions of US help out the CIA back. Same with its allies industrial giants. Nothing stops, and noone goes to jail when Snowden tells you what they’re doing. All of the AI companies tell us that US must race to Skynet… or China wins. The extreme corruption and oppression that is US led is galaxies wider than anything you can accuse China of. US needs to steal all of our money to benefit Israel and Oligarchy. Pure evil corruption needs extreme evil control and oppression. China is just making better stuff, and improving people’s lives as best it can.
I was with you on that, upvoting, until that last line… because of the “just”. It’s doing other stuff too, and much more left out besides “improving people’s lives as best it can”.
I can address specific criticisms.
But…
Shall you?
can’t address “other stuff”
Why?
Given you said:
And I responded to that with the specific criticism:
and that you’ve said
and have avoided doing so after queried
with
is that to say [/double-down] that the only thing China is doing is “making better stuff”? And to misdirect from the rest of the specific criticism? Again the implication in the wording being there is nothing else that China does. This is your contention, yes? Have I correctly understood what you’re saying?
… Because a 2 second websearch can reveal there’s other stuff going on. But you’re saying … there is no other stuff? or that you need the other stuff to be specific before you can address the criticism that there’s other stuff besides the very narrow framing you used of “just”? Sorry, I’m struggling to follow your thinking here, with what little given to go on here so far. Maybe you can help clarify? … Or concede [that there is other stuff that China does besides just improving people’s lives as best it can][~ as looking for a second, or even base conception, [or even asking the CCP themselves, [in case saying “China” meant them]], confirms]?
Y’know? It’s not a big point… it’s not hard… so to be evasive like that, does evoke curiosity as to what psychology or corruption may be afoot.
“other stuff” is the opposite of specific criticism. Extreme smears and lies exist in propaganda to diminish others, and just google all the accusations, is not a good way to be informed.
I agree that China is different in this regard. The gov’t has superiority over the private sector. That has pros and cons.
I just can’t agree with that based on my observations. Private firms working with the government on profit-driven agendas has been happening for a long time. The gov’t very often hires private firm insiders at decisionmaking positions. And then when the gov’t has a non-profit agenda, private corporations still cooperate because it means better chance to cooperate on a for-profit agenda in the future. This is the economic basis of fascism. All of that is occurring south of the border as we speak.
I understand what you’re saying even if I don’t agree and I don’t expect you to agree with what I’m saying on this one.
E: I find it’s a lot more useful to think that private firms drive gov’t agendas in our systems, not the other way around.