Very healthy representation in the highest levels of government and corporate leadership
Highest income level, even higher than Jewish and Chinese people
High levels of capital ownership
All stereotypes against Indian Americans are similar to the ones against white Americans, not really that bad (rich, smart, business savvy)
Less hate crimes than POC, probably less than Jewish people too
Racism against Indian Americans specifically is pretty low, lower than Jewish people. Obviously the attitude towards those from the motherland and commonwealth countries are a different matter
Identity very homogenized and white Americanized like Irish, Italians, Jewish people, east Asians to an extent
(CW: descriptive racism)
In the US? Respectfully, no. For reference, I live in Backwater, USA.
All stereotypes against Indian Americans are similar to the ones against white Americans, not really that bad (rich, smart, business savvy)
All? Common negative stereotypes I’ve heard against Indians in my backwards ass town/village are: untrustworthy, smelly, telemarketers, scam artists, stingy, gas station owners, etc.
“Rich, smart, business savvy” seem to be more commonly applied to the Chinese in my experience, and by extension the Japanese, Thai, and Koreans because Americans can’t tell.
My racist old neighbor has told me multiple times in passive conversation that he specifically doesn’t trust Indians because of how they conduct business. From what I gather, this was based on a single business deal (day-labor construction) where he expected cash but got a check. Additionally, multiple locals have engaged in obvious “othering” over J.D. Vance’s wife in casual conversation.
My perception based on the general public sentiment here are: Irish and Italians are indistinguishably White, Jews are White™️ but peculiar, Indians are brown.
Even at university in a mid-sized city, anti-Indian racism was apparent and common unfortunately - absolutely moreso than Jewish and Chinese people (but still noticeable). Unironic Irish and Italian racism is an alien concept to me.
As a white American, nope. I used to work next to an MIC with a large amount of Indian software engineers in their employ. The attitude towards Indian people was not good then, and it has not gotten better in the decade since.
Using MIC software engineers as the bar is not accurate, those guys are some of the most bigoted and evil people in this country
If their opinions was the standard to compare, you’d think women still couldn’t vote or work a job
I meant more my (white) coworkers and the customers at where i worked reacting to the software engineers coming in to the store
No. They have brown skin.
This is such a dishonest attempt of an answer, lots of Indians are whiter than Southern Europeans
Not to mention tons of people with white skin are not white
Indigenous peoples from northern areas, Central Asians, lots of arabs
Brown people will never be white in Amerikkka I don’t know what to tell you
They’re too brown, and they aren’t the right kind of Abrahamists. You can get away with being swarthy if you worship the God of Abraham as a Christian, and more recently as a Jew, which the vast majority of Indians are not. Arabs, or more specifically Arab Christians, are more likely to be white than Indians and indeed, Arabs are considered white in the US census, largely due to Arab Christians arguing that not saying Arabs are white means you think Jesus isn’t white. Arab Christians like Ralph Nader are treated as white people. Meanwhile, everyone assumes Indian people worship cows or thinks repeating Apu’s catchphrase is the height of comedy. Even the idea of an Indian Muslim just makes people go “huh?”
Pretty weird question tbh.
Nobody in my parents’ generation realized that Freddie Mercury was Indian so, insofar as that happens, I guess?
Okay but more seriously:
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There really aren’t that many Indians in the US, so most people do not get any use out of a stereotype about them. If a lone family of whatever ethnicity move into Racismville, USA, they’re probably not going to be met with that much hostility (with exceptions for ethnicities that have special places in the mythology of racist bullshit (Black, Jewish, Native American)). If more families move there and form their own sub-culture, a Little Wherever community, that’s when the opportunity to have an opinion about them as a group comes in. ie: when the racism kicks in.
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People who work in tech and other white-collar jobs often have some very racially coded hostilities towards outsourced work in India! These people have more exposure to Indians, and it’s in a context where it’s convenient to hate them, so they often find a way.
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“rich, smart, business savvy” is the model minority myth, a different form of racism than what, say, Black people face, but still racism.
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“rich, smart, business savvy” requires that someone is rich! A poor Indian person must experience a different form of racism than this.
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Although whiteness is socially constructed and flexible, it is still tied to skin color. Groups with lighter skin have historically had an easier time becoming “white” than groups with darker skin, and the darkest group that’s been let in are Italians.
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Although whiteness has expanded over time, it’s been like 100 years since the last time someone was let in. Attempts to count Hispanic and Arab people as white have failed as the whims of the US empire have flopped around faster than new ideas about who counts as white could normalize.
Although whiteness has expanded over time, it’s been like 100 years since the last time someone was let in
Weren’t Italians and Greeks not white until like the 90s when Muslims started being really feared and racism shifted away from those 2 groups long enough that they overtime just became white
but still racism
Jewish people have lots of racism along the same lines. Italians have racism, Greeks have racism
outsourced work in India
I mean it’s the same with other white people isn’t it. People hate the French more than French Americans. People hate Greeks more than Greco Americans
it is still tied to skin color
I feel like specifically in America whiteness has taken on a more xenophobic and national chauvinistic form, but I can totally see it still being too strongly tied to skin tone
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Having experienced situations with Indians and the American south, seeing the interactions, and talking with people afterwards…
I’m gonna say no.
Not any time soon unless we make that revolution.
Not Christian enough. Literally the first whispers behind their back were about their religion. It’s weird to me, and I imagine to you too, that people care to that or any extrent, but sadly enough still do.
Too brown. And like others have said while whiteness can’t be reduced solely to skin tone, but it does rely on it.
Those stereotypes you mentioned, which are still problematic, weren’t even applied or thought of as far as I could tell. The stereotypes people have are typically far nastier than that.
You may say the south is not reflective of the rest of the county, and maybe. But in my travels and disappointments across the US, in cities and the country, I’ve found the Mason Dixon line goes pretty far north. Even up north people are still nasty, sometimes it’s subtle to me (but not to those experiencing it) . Down south it’s even more explicit and obvious.
Idk how you could get the idea that south Asians face little bigotry. I don’t really want to innumerate everything I have observed. It would be a long and unpleasant list. I agree with everything @dead said and there is more.
IME, they are the ones most likely to have some sort of diy home cooked conspiracy theory applied to them.
I don’t think so - I think a stark difference in skin tone requires conversion to Christianity in order to acquire what you describe (cultural offsetting). Indians are among the least likely to be Christian last I checked.
Just how the point strikes me.
The assimilated ones that take -inder and -preet off their names, maybe. Or more likely, their kids will get to assimilate when they’ve sufficiently shed any outlying cultural signifiers and are otherwise indistinguishable as Indian
