This is becoming ridiculous.
We are back at square 1.
Have you actually tried reading the rules of the community you want to post to? YDI
Are you expecting people to remember every community they engage with rules and read the rules each time they comment or post?
No, but at least read rules after removals amd then not be upset about relevant removal
or when a post is removed the mod can copy past the exact description of the rule
Do you really need the exact description of the rule if the rule # that was broken was provided?
If its an interpretation of the rule then it would make no difference anyway, and is also pretty unlikely to be the kind of thing triggered by an automod.
The lemmy.ml admins often remove a post with a reason like “rule 2”, and then people get confused because rule 2 of the community they posted in wasn’t broken. Turns out they mean instance rule 2, but they never say that. I think that’s too unclear.
Thats not really giving you the specific rule though, they absolutely should note it being an instance rule.
Though all too often, I’d say with them its worse, and their interpretation of a rule that they are using to remove/ban, making it even more unclear more often than not.
As an admin when i remove a post or comment, i say exactly why it was removed
That wasn’t really my question, but congratulations. Good for you.
The op commented sbout the vagueness of rules in the modlog. That’s the only part I agreed with
Yes.
At least to post.
Do you not read the rules before posting an article in a community?
I mean, it doesn’t matter what we expect, does it? just matters what the mod of that comm expects.
It does to him and to me
well I don’t think either one of you are the mod in question, now are you? 🤣
This is a community about critisizing mods. You expect us to not talk about what fit with the community?
No, it’s a comm about criticism of mods on power trips. If you don’t read the sidebar and get banned for that, it’s not power tripping, that’s you being an idiot.
Likewise, if you’re being an idiot and you come to this comm, you can expect to be viciously made fun of.
No offense, but they make sense to me.
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First two are political posts. Probably a bot enforcing Rule 6.
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3rd post is technically a blog post, not a news article, I guess.
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Third is borderline political?
The removed post justification should be more explicit, and removing a Servo dev post is ridiculous. But like it or not, it seems to fit the community’s rules.
The removed post justification should be more explicit
Yeah, the only crime here is that ‘automod rule triggered’ should be replaced with something that tells you which automod rule was triggered.
Rules against politics are always PTB because everything is political. Which political things stay up and which political things are removed for being political always comes down to the mods’ personal tastes, so it’s PTB.
Everything is technology, too.
At some point, moderators have to make a call as to what is topical, and OP’s first two posts aren’t even ambgious. Yeah we can wring our hands all day, but TBH they’re barely technology and mostly political.
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The thing is it’s working because you are coming here to vent about it and there’s no “he said, she said, they said”. Not blaming you for coming, that is the right move. Each person can independently assess if the mod actions are reasonable or unreasonable.
Automod doesn’t change that, and honestly I think automods are needed to relieve the burden on volunteer mods on a growing userbase, even if there will be false positives sometimes. That can be reversed through manual review. If you don’t like the decision of those mods, go to an alternate community, especially for news, tech and politics topics, there are plenty out there on the Lemmyverse.
One of the things I wish modlogs had is the ability to respond to them. Sure, that might mean dealing with them being further jackasses in the modlog if they are honestly misbehaving, but isn’t that also a possibility on Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards?
The admin/mod instance wouldn’t even have to allow it to be visible, it could just be visible from their own home instance. If that’s an actual problem, the home instance can get involved or just get defederated if it gets to that. It could be toggled as an option from the home instance.
As it is, even Google Maps has better “modlogs”. Still fairly easy to simulate, as someone could just action their action in their home instance and include their reply to the actual action there.
Claiming “it’s the AutoMod, stupid” is not an excuse. Even an AutoMod can provide better replies than this. What is the actual reason for modlogs if they don’t matter anymore? Marketing?
I like that idea because it solves the problem of someone spinning up a dozen communities across several popular instances and repeatedly banning a user and writing defamation in the modlog. Which is a very abusive tactic I’ve seen used by various individuals.
While I’m an anarchist and I always question authority, most people aren’t. Most people implicitly trust mods. So abusing people’s trust like that can be very effective as a means of reputational abuse. It’s propaganda.
I firmly believe in the principle of habeas corpus, not just as a law, but as an ethical principle for any kind of institutional punishment. Authorities should have to make an actual argument, they should have a body of evidence, when they limit speech.
PTB
Yes.
