What every pardon defender said will happen, did happen. Trump and the DoJ are going after everyone they can. If Biden hadn’t pardoned Hunter, the J6 comitee and others, they would have been indicted too.
In retrospect, Biden did the correct thing.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/new-york-state-attorney-general-indicted
In retrospect, Biden did the correct thing.
In retrospect, if Biden thought Trump would abuse his power to such a degree Biden should have taken advantage of that enormous power given to the office of the POTUS by SCOTUS before he left office.
He did. He used that power to ignore the Leahy law.
I am convinced trump has people think of ways to circumvent all of Biden’s pardons.
So I wouldn’t be surprised if he at some point goes after them all of a sudden.Perhaps he awaits Biden’s passing and then declares them all void.
You’re probably right, but that should give everyone around Trump who wants or needs a pardon pause. Because if Trump can overturn Biden’s pardons, a future President can overturn Trump’s.
And it’s not wise for them to assume that a friendly President will be in power for the entire lifetime of everyone in the current administration. Even if they solidify power for a while, we’ve seen time and time again across history that it will eventually end.
They have nothing to fear. There is absolutely zero chance of a future Democrat prosecuting any Trump officials. The MO of any Democrat elected after Trump will be to 1) Declare that it’s time to “move on.” 2) Immediately fill their cabinet with Wall Street bankers.
You may well be correct. However, I do think there will be an appetite for justice after all this is over, and I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that a future administration would go back and look at people from the current administration.
It’ll all come down to who’s making the decisions at that time, and whether the political calculus works out one way or another. I think it’s too early to speculate as to what an administration that is 3+ years in the future would do.
And it’s not wise for them to assume that a friendly President will be in power for the entire lifetime of everyone in the current administration. Even if they solidify power for a while, we’ve seen time and time again across history that it will eventually end.
This is nothing but delusional hopium. North Korea, for instance, is into its third generation of tyranny.
It’s definitely possible that this will continue across multiple generations. However, far more tyrannical governments have completely fallen apart after a couple of years, and it rarely goes well for those who had power in that time.
Regarding North Korea, yes they’ve had over 75 years of tyrannical autocracy, but that wasn’t in a vacuum. They have been largely dependent on first the Soviet Union, and now China; without those countries backing them up, they would have collapsed long ago. And Kim Il Sung specifically worked to create deification for his bloodline to consolidate power within his family; Trump so far has not been successful in doing the same, and so far nobody else has been able to match his cult of personality. As with many dictatorships throughout history, when the figurehead is gone, the regime starts to crumble.
I do take issue with your implication that hoping the regime will end is delusional. If we accept that we’ve already lost, what’s the point of fighting back? I do genuinely believe that this will end sooner rather than later, not out of delusion, but because so many people are fighting back against the administration and its goals without giving up. Even where I live, in one of the most conservative states in the country, there are tens of thousands of people who have turned out for protests and rallies. There have been ongoing daily protests, and even the conservatives I work with are upset about what’s happening.
We’ve been in such incredibly dark places before as a country, and we’ve made it out because people refused to give up. I refuse to assume this is inevitable, and I refuse to give up on working towards something better.
This is just going to turn into every president pardoning … everyone … before they leave office every time…
And somehow, I don’t think that’s what it was meant for…
Was he really though? None of these prosecutions are going to stick. They’re no threat to wealthy people like the Bidens. The real danger is for ordinary people. The Bidens can afford or can certainly raise donations for their legal fees against unjust prosecution. Average people however can’t afford such a thing. The average person does have to fear this, as Trump can now effectively bankrupt anyone of modest means by filing frivolous charges against them. How many times can you afford to spend several hundred thousand dollars hiring attorneys to fight the Justice Department?
So really it wasn’t justified. It set the terrible precedent that a president can pardon their family members. And it was done for someone who can afford an unlimited legal defense budget to fight off frivolous prosecutions. Biden could have issued broader pardons that would have protected millions of people from such prosecutions, but instead he focused only on his friends and family.
