How many dead Palestinian kids will it take for you to change your vote?

  • lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml
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    2 years ago

    They don’t care because ‘trump will kill more’ is the logic. They have done a mental trick where they convince themselves they aren’t voting ‘for genocide’, they’re voting ‘against Tcump’. They refuse to accept that they are just doing the good old ‘ends justify the means’ calculus, and instead claim ‘harm reduction’

    As Malcom X said: ‘The White liberal is the worst enemy to America’

    • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netOP
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      2 years ago

      ‘trump will kill more’ is the logic

      We don’t actually know what will happen with Trump. He is a petty, dumb, narcissist who acts like a weather vane for his advisors. He could decide to drop a nuke on the region, or he could get triggered by something on Twitter and decide to stop all arms to get back at Netanyahu.

      We know what the Democrats will do. They’re doing it now. Acting so sad while pouring truckloads of money into the kid crushing machine.

      This isn’t an endorsement of Trump, lurkers. Vote 3rd party or leave President blank. Neither major candidate earned your vote.

  • Azzu@lemm.ee
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    2 years ago

    You guys really don’t get that your voting system only leads to two parties. As soon as one of those parties splits up, the other one will literally always win, that’s just a mathematical reality.

    It is true that both of these two parties are terrible. However, D is slightly less terrible as R. If you stop voting for D and go for X which is theoretically objectively better, R will always win. So a vote for X is effectively a vote for R.

    Yes, if suddenly all D voters would move to X, then X would win. But this is simply not realistic. The only realistic way for change is for the slightly better party of the two to always win, which would make R die out. Then a farther left party will emerge, that might even want to change to ranked choice voting. If not, the whole spiel has to be repeated until D dies out because of never winning.

    This is incredibly slow, but slow is how our society changes. Even the French revolution didn’t just suddenly happen, hundreds of years of starting to understand how terrible monarchy was and building the knowledge of alternate systems among the general populace was required. The real change is people gaining more knowledge, gaining a better understanding of reality, themselves.

    • Staines [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      2 years ago

      Thanks for the babies-first-civics lesson.

      Please leave your democratic seal of approval for more dead children in your local ballot box, rather than regurgitating it especially for us.

    • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.netBanned
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      2 years ago

      I’m going to exercise restraint right now and curb my gut reaction to beat you to death with a tire iron.

      Please read the fucking room.

      We do not accept this electoral process as legitimate democracy and refuse to participate in a system that perpetuates and is built on genocide both at home and abroad.

      We cannot vote our way out of this so sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, maybe lurk a bit and listen to people here.

      If you motherfuckers keep trying to convince us to vote for Klanmala we will eventually ban you because it’s very tiresome and displays your fundamental lack of understanding of how politics, capitalism, and imperialism work. If you want to participate, you need to start acting like a student and not a reactionary teacher.

    • miz [any, any]@hexbear.net
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      2 years ago

      The real change is people gaining more knowledge, gaining a better understanding of reality, themselves.

      baby-brained historical idealism. material conditions are the primary driver of history

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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      2 years ago

      lmao I mean this in the nicest way, how old are you? Cause this is some brain-dead eight grade civics class shit I would’ve written at 14

      The only realistic way for change is for the slightly better party of the two to always win, which would make R die out

      Let’s take this part as a lesson in poor critical reasoning, your argument is a complete political non-sequitur; if the dems won every election that wouldn’t lead to republicans or American conservatives dying out, they’d either institute a coup thru the supreme court to regain electoral advantages or reconstitute inside the Democratic Party which means the two political system becomes a one party factional system

      The problem with your conception of politics is that frankly you clearly take the propaganda of American civil religion at face value, while simultaneously selectively ignoring the real world political sympathies of the DNC leadership and elites which are bipartisan and republican friendly

      Also this should already be blatantly obvious to you, but it doesn’t take hundreds of years for people to oppose genocide, they oppose it now and the fascism that creates that genocide isn’t going to wait for your turtle ass conception of society before it spreads it’s genocidal intent to other parts of the globe or to YOU closer at home, so get a fuckin grip