Former German diplomat Wolfgang Ischinger says Western leaders should be making more threats and be willing to follow them through.

The West should spend less time fretting about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s red lines and set its own, says veteran German diplomat Wolfgang Ischinger.

“Russia keeps saying, if you do this, if you cross this or that red line, we might escalate,” said the 78-year-old onetime chairman of the Munich Security Conference. “Why don’t we turn this thing around and say to them: ‘We have lines and if you bomb one more civilian building, then you shouldn’t be surprised if, say, we deliver Taurus cruise missiles or America allows Ukraine to strike military targets inside Russia’?”

That way the onus will be on Moscow to decide whether to cross the red lines — or face the consequences.

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    6 hours ago

    They have that right tough. It’s just what we are all witnessing goes “a little” further than that.

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      They have that right tough

      hard disagree. Maybe if a foreign country wanted to create a Jewish ethnostate it should have set the borders inside its own sovereign lands instead of displacing 300k people it didn’t give a shit about and causing an immediate regional war and decades of ongoing conflict?

      Maybe then we could consider Israel a real country. Seeing how it didn’t go that way? What israel deserves is to dissolve

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        5 hours ago

        And in your suggested dissolution of the state of Israel, what happens then? And what happens to the Jews that now live there?

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            4 hours ago

            That’s not an answer to the question though, you are advocating for the dissolution, so let’s put it on the table…

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                No, you made a statement that required a follow up question… requiring you to elaborate. But I have the feeling that you are answering like this cause you simply refuse to say the quiet part out loud, or are to cowardly to come out and say it. But that’s OK. I think most people reading your response get what you mean.

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                  But I have the feeling that you are answering like this cause you simply refuse to say the quiet part out loud, or are to cowardly to come out and say it

                  Every accusation is a confession

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                    2 hours ago

                    Sure… you still are dancing around specifying what your dissolution of the state of Israel would look like.

                    I’d personally like to see Netanyahu in a small concrete cell in Scheveningen… just so we’re clear.

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          The same thing that happened to the Jews that lived there for millenia before Israel was created, the become normal citizens with no special rights or mandates, and are actually subject to laws intended on keeping all people safe, not just Jews. It worked continuously for millenia through dozens of different ruling states with a half dozen ruling religions, the state of Israel and it’s fascism utilizing ng Jewish supremacy as a base ideology fucked that up.

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            Well, that looks like it ignores reality a bit. That the current state of Israel is doing fucked up stuff atm gets no arguement from me, but it did not happen in a vacuum.

            Spouting revisionist nonsense about how equal the Jews where treated all over the world also does not help the situation either. Nor does ignoring the current situation and how if the state where to be dissolved and a new state created in its place that would give all people of the region equal rights and protections… they would magically all get along.

            So again… what then? What would you suggest?