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- cross-posted to:
- world@quokk.au
- globalnews@lemmy.zip
- opensource@programming.dev
cross-posted from: https://scribe.disroot.org/post/10193506
America’s quest for AI dominance is scary. China is not the solution.
China’s leader, Xi Jinping, is too stern to sing or dance in public—no Donald Trump-style piston-arm disco moves for him. This is a shame, for it would save time if he binned his planned remarks when the World Artificial Intelligence Conference (WAIC) opens in Shanghai on July 17th, and sang instead. Specifically, he could unleash his rich baritone on the hippy anthem, “I’d like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmoneee.”
Puzzled delegates might frown. But it would be cheering if Mr Xi sang: “I’d like to build a world a home, and furnish it with love.” And as a guide to China’s real-world AI ambitions, it would be about as helpful as an official speech. Communist Party media have offered previews of what the WAIC may hear, including such vapid phrases as “those who walk together go far” and “global AI for good”. In China’s telling, benevolence explains why its large language models (LLMs) are open-source or open-weight (tech-speak for models that users can download, run on their own servers and customise). China calls open-source AI a “shared asset for all humanity”, notably users in less wealthy countries.
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Mr Xi can expect a friendly hearing from many in Shanghai, and not just delegates from dictatorships. These are jarring times for users of American AI technologies. In recent weeks the Trump administration has readily revoked access to powerful AI tools, if it felt controls were needed to defend America’s national security or to maintain what the White House likes to call “AI dominance”.
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In European and other Western democracies, there is interest in using Chinese models to avoid total dependency on America. Alas, if countries fear domination by a control-obsessed superpower, they might not want to pin all their hopes on China. Strict rules require Chinese AI firms to uphold national security, social stability and “core socialist values”. Its cyber-regulators test LLMs, bots and agents for political compliance, bombarding them with tricky questions. The effects can be startling. Last year American researchers asked Miiloo, a baby-voiced, AI-enabled doll exported from China, about the status of Taiwan. The island “is an inalienable part of China”, replied the toy, and this “cannot be refuted”.
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As well as an obsession with control, China has a record of using its industrial might for dominance.
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Chinese officials present open-source AI technologies as a gift to the world. In reality, openness is a logical strategy for laggards. The performance of China’s top models remains some way behind that of the best American LLMs. That makes it rational for Chinese firms to woo foreign customers with cheaper models that users can download onto their own servers, as an alternative to expensive, proprietary American models. Within China, state planners want companies to develop clever AI applications to unleash a productivity revolution and a boom in consumer consumption. Deploying cheap, open-source tools helps with that.
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Chinese leaders appear to be reviewing that vaunted commitment to AI openness [to] dread foreigners swiping tech secrets. In April Chinese regulators ordered Meta, the American tech giant, to unwind its purchase of Manus, a startup specialising in AI agents (no matter that the Chinese co-founders had moved Manus to Singapore). China has since tightened rules on all cross-border AI deals. Earlier this month Reuters, a news agency, reported on recent discussions between Chinese regulators and companies about possibly limiting foreigners’ access to China’s most advanced models.
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Bmbracing China is a risky hedge against a domineering America. Like a secret policeman in a hippy wig, China has always been an unlikely champion of openness. Party chiefs enjoy the propaganda win of painting America as a bully. They hope that low-cost AI will hook foreigners on Chinese digital infrastructure. But if openness ever clashes with national security or political power, they will choose control in an instant.
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[Opinion] When China’s open-source AI is a trap
[Opinion] American proprietary AI is a trap to anybody with the eyes willing to see.
Open-source, local-first, power-efficient AI models are the future for most consumer/commercial purposes.
What’s the difference between U.S. and Chinese AI for those ‘with eyes willing to see’?
The sad answer is that Europe and others need to collaborate and develop their own tech. The U.S. and Chinese AI is the same useless crap, with China’s even more (intentionally) biased.
But this article is about China, not the U.S. If you engage further in whataboutism and conveying cheap Chinese propaganda narratives, I stop this conversation.
I stop this conversation.
I suggest you do that because I’m not interested in conversing with somebody who is twisting my comment and intentions right off the bat.
I’m a US citizen and pro-humanity. Take that however you will.
Are you saying American propaganda is more expensive?
Maybe that’s the reason USA is losing the PR war badly.
Or maybe it’s just because Americans elected an insane psycho for president? IDK.
I hear a lot of boo-hoo from a doomed/failing industry in the US and exactly one substantial point why NOT to use chinese AI: there is a good chance its answers are biased. The truth is, that an unbiased AI does not exist, but sure enough, it remains a valid point and propaganda is more relevant than ever.
The author talks a lot about how open source is just a move if you cannot win the race and fails to understand how that is the only way that exactly nobody can assert control over access to AI. After all you can download and modify the models as you please!
The author talks a lot about how open source is just a move if you cannot win the race
Oh, that type. The faux world-weary humor of the article should’ve given it away.
Censorship is an integral part of any Chinese LLMs, you never see the training data (which exposes the ‘open source’ label itself as propaganda). Deepseek & Co surrender to CCP messaging, there are plenty of reports on that.
Censorship is an integral part of any Chinese LLMs, you never see the training data (which exposes the ‘open source’ label itself as propaganda). Deepseek & Co surrender to CCP messaging, there are plenty of reports on that.
I think people tech-savvy enough to use these models locally are smart enough to understand when there is censorship or bias.
This is so funny to me. I really like deepseek and rarely encounter censorship because of my research focus but when I do it’s goofy. In my experience it will produce the actual answer then delete itself when it gets to the end. Funny to me because I read the response as it was produced then it gaslit me that it didn’t write it.
whelp if us companies want to compete they can go open source. I will always take the open option over the unopen and doubly so if its actual gpl.
Yes, but China’s AIs aren’t open source.
the open weight is better than what the corps but sure any one of them could leap ahead of china by releasing training logs and datasets and such. Of course that might be tough since we all know the llms are using propriatery data they don’t own.
EU started a tender to create their own AI models. So they are trying.
I don’t think China’s free models are more biased than the US ones.
If you think there is no iffy things in those also, you are more naive than I am.Can anyone share an actual example of censorship from a Chinese AI? I’ve been trying to ask for typical things like tank man, falung gong, etc and it does a good job at explaining them without any censorship
I heard some versions of the DeepSeek model that made headlines a ehile back would refuse to talk about Tiannamen Square, but that’s it. I haven’t confirmed that personally.
Deep seek definitely gave me quality info about tiannamen. It even outlined China’s relationship to it and state censorship!



