I think this device is pretty competitive with the FW 13 Pro and seems to be similarly priced (prices change depending on storage config), but the main downside is soldered RAM (though 32GB of it, no 8GB or 16GB options), as well as the lack of niceties like touch support, interchangeable ports, and a haptic trackpad. The Framework is also good if you already have an older device, you can just upgrade the components you need, and they have more affordable configurations too, like with 16GB of RAM and the choice of bringing your own SSD. Interestingly, looks like the 1TB SSD from System76 has much slower read speeds compared to FW’s stock options. 2TB and 4TB look to be similar to FW’s.
The new Lemur Pro is a good option if 1) you want a slim 16" Panther Lake device that runs Linux well OOTB, 2) You don’t mind the non-upgradeable RAM (32GB), and 3) you’re okay with spending more money to support System76
(FW16 is a decent 16" option but is pretty bulky with the AMD 300 series CPU. It does have dGPU options though which is pretty cool, and it has all the benefits of FW devices)
It’s a Lenovo L14/L16 with branding removed from the look of the picture.
New Pro Lemur Linux Laptop
Well, that’s how I read it.
I’m wondering, how would this stack up on all regards to the framework 13 pro?
As for the hardware, the System76 option has a 16" option in addition to the 14", while FW only has a 13.5" display in their “Pro” chassis (for now, at least). However, FW offers touchscreen on their device. Similar chipset options between the two, but the System76 seems to have soldered RAM (32GB) while FW uses LPCAMM2. The FW has other niceties too, like a haptic touchpad, interchangeable ports (though the System76 has better I/O than most), and customisable elements (international keyboard layouts, colourful bezels, etc.). The System76 laptop has the option to remove WiFi, webcam, and mics from the device for privacy if you needed that.
On the software side, the System76 laptop can come prebuilt with Pop! OS and Ubuntu, while Framework lets you go with either Ubuntu, Windows (ew), or BYO OS, but you can install any OS on either machine.
Speccing out both machines with 32GB/1TB and the Intel Panther Lake X7 chip results in a pretty similar price, with the FW being just under 200 USD above the equivalent System76. I think System76 might be using a slower SSD for their 1TB option though. With 2TB of storage (that are closer in read speeds), the System76 becomes a little more expensive than the FW! Also of note, FW offers a more affordable 16GB RAM option that can later be upgraded, since it’s LPCAMM2. The FW also has a higher end 64GB RAM option if you have a lot of money to burn.
edit: Somebody else also mentioned the System76 is a bit lighter too, which is neat!
I got a FW13 and I already got the lpcamm2 module, waiting for my motherboard upgrade.
But this peaked my interest and instantly lost it when I hears you said soldered RAM haha. Just not my cup of tea.
Thanks, I think I’ll stick with the upgrade, although I liked the 16 inch idea, but whatever I don’t mind.
lost it when I hears you said soldered RAM haha
Yeah, it is a bit of a bummer. As least it’s 32GB, so more than enough for most people. It doesn’t help that a new FW 13 Pro is very close in price to the System76 option when specced similarly, and FW actually takes the edge with higher storage capacities (+ you can bring your own M.2 if you have one already)
Not to mention the ability to upgrade from an older gen FW and all the other fun bits. Nice of have some competition though, and the Lemur Pro does have some other merits like being a bit lighter and having a 16" (non-touch) screen size option
not the op but thanks for that, now I’m even more confused about which way to go haha Both the FW13Pro and the 76 are on my shortlist
I use LMDE but I like that S76 has its own Arch version. FW has touch which is nice and seems to have decent Mint support
Of note, Pop! OS is based on Ubuntu, not Arch! You might be thinking of SteamOS
The main differences is the upgradeable memory and customisability of the Framework laptop, and the option for a 16" size in the case of System76 (albeit no touchscreen).
It’s roughly the same package as the middle power choice for framework, so similar.
Battery is very similar, so’s the GPU and RAM. Only big difference is the screen, which framework nailed.
The framework 13 is almost a full lbs heavier than the 14 inch lemur pro.
Huh, my framework 13 has 5 hr battery life (advertised) so I’m confused. It’s only a bit over a year old.
Edit: apparently that’s been improved, they now say “all day battery life” so I must’ve bought mine at the wrong time :'(
This might not help a lot but here is my FW13 story.
I got it somewhere around 2024/2025 and the battery life was very bad. Like a couple of hours tops.
I was sad, but lived with it for a while.
Then when I started using NixOS (love it) the battery life improved dramatically.
I think it is because I configured some Framework-hardware-specific configuration thingy that was made for the device.
So making sure you have the right firmware or whatever really does change a lot.
I don’t think it’s even close to 18 hours, but it is way better than before.
Also, setting the screen to 60hz instead of 144hz might save you some battery.
Good luck!
is the 13 Pro different to the 13 though ? i.e powerdraw and battery size ?
Yeah, it is. That was part of my misunderstanding but also the advertised battery life is now much higher than it was a year ago (on non-pro model)
Any clues on repeatability? How is it?
Sorry, not sure I understand about repeatability.
I don’t own one, that was just what I’ve seen about the chipset, LPCAMM2 memory and checking the stats on the pages.
I’d really like one though!
Was it easy to repair is what I wanted to ask, but I got you thanks.
