EDIT: The original article I posted kinda sucked. I’ll keep it here for posterity if people want to read it, but I’ll replace it with a link @RedWizard posted with original resignation letter and the PSL internal response. If you want to read just the resignation letter with the PSL criticisms without any preamble, it is here.

EDIT 2: Here is the leaked PSL internal response.

Comment by @chana in the general thread: (Sorry to copy your comment here but it’s the only comment I’ve seen so far on this and it’s a good way to start off the discussion, along with summer discussion questions I’ll add below)

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Notable resignation and letter from PSL Central Committee member and related fomenting split in Brooklyn over PSL being run as a bureaucratic clique (which many will already be aware of from speaking with various PSL members trying to do more than participate in protests). PSL is good at specific local levels despite the national level dysfunction, and the vast majority of its membership good comrades. But the criticisms certainly ring true to me and are reasonable to cite as existential flaws. There is a bit of clown nonsense from the top on a regular basis (like the call for a general strike, cited in the resignation letter, lmao that is baby liberal idealism stuff).

If you’re currently unorganized don’t let this stop you from joining, it is more important to be active and learn locally from any non-abusive left space than to do nothing organized.

Discussion Questions:

  • There’s a lot of PSL fans or members here so what do you think? Like overall on this news?
  • Do the complaints have merit, or not? Do some do, and some don’t? Which ones? – If so, what does this mean for the left in the US? What are the solutions and what is the path from here? – If not, why don’t you think so? And what does it mean for the left in terms of factionalism and splitting?
  • Do you still recommend the PSL as an organization to join? What about the DSA? Join the Democratic Party? FRSO?
  • quarrk [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Nobody is saying that the anti racist fight isn’t important

    You are when you say there are 0 leftists in the US and they’re all Nazis. Logically you extend this to victims of US imperialism who live within the US. You don’t get to say shit like that and then claim solidarity with their fight.

    nobody is denying ethic origins of an group almost always determine their place in the class struggle

    Race is not subordinate to class in the American context. It is not merely a determinant of class.

    It’s your industrialized, systemic, internalized, nazilike racism that I’m denouncing

    Where’s your antithesis, Marxist? Will the current USian values lead to socialism? Also some of your takes reek of post modernism.

    jagoff

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      Logically you extend this to victims of US imperialism who live within the US.

      Of course not, but Read Fanon on Black Skin, White Masks. Many of theses victims are in the Military.

      Race is not subordinate to class in the American context.

      It is, Yanks and Boers are the same to me in relation to their respective victims. What is relevant in this context is the segregation policies that were conduced in sharp contrast to what happened in the Latin America. There, the racism became hidden behind social mobility. In the West, there’s that liberal illusion of representation in all classes. But the subaltern class, even aristocratic proles, is still subaltern to the Capital.

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        If race is merely a determinant of class then there should be no material difference between a black worker and a white worker.