Socialism is built on the concept of the planned reduction of suffering for the majority of people. It can and has been used by tyrants to make themselves wealthy at the expense of the country and its people.
Capitalism is built on the concept of the planned increase in suffering for the majority of people for the exclusivity of the few. The negative aspects described in socialism above is the core goal under capitalism.
The two biggest famines in human history weren’t caused by droughts or natural disasters. They were caused by socialism.
Socialism was a failure. The economic policies of 1930s capitalism was also a failure.
Fortunately those aren’t the only two options. We don’t have to follow the failed systems of the past. There were successful economic policies used after WWII up until Ronald Reagan which were very successful.
Trust-busting, taxing the wealthy, and Keynesian economic policies were what led to the peak of human prosperity.
Socialism from the perspective of the working class was starvation followed by building lots of shitty tanks, followed by economic collapse. You should read history from that perspective a little more instead just reading the writings by the elites in those societies.
Are you talking about communism or socialism? You shouldn’t conflate the two. Both are different from each other and you.
The peak of human prosperity
You’re looking at this purely economically - prosperity isn’t only financial and this is where you’re failing to understand what wealth actually means. It’s more than what’s in your bank account.
But you’re correct that actually taxing the wealthy correctly would alleviate some of the problems using that to fund social programs would be a good start. That is what many European countries do - many are classed as Social Democracies for that reason.
Unfortunately I have read a lot of history so am not blissfully ignorant. But please don’t gatekeep thoughts or pontificate on “how smart you are”. It’s rather crass. Talking down to people only makes you seem gauche. There’s enough of that in the world.
But of course there has never been any suffering in any socialist system!
Perhaps we should read a history book and find out when the peak of human prosperity was achieved and figure out how that happened.
Not sure how stalinists can plausibly claim to be socialists.
You can’t have worker control without democracy, and the USSR certainly did not have democracy.
It had a new ruling class, based on party position rather than money.
That’s not socialism - socialism requires democracy by definition.
Stalinists and Maoists who claim otherwise are idiots.
The difference is that:
Socialism is built on the concept of the planned reduction of suffering for the majority of people. It can and has been used by tyrants to make themselves wealthy at the expense of the country and its people.
Capitalism is built on the concept of the planned increase in suffering for the majority of people for the exclusivity of the few. The negative aspects described in socialism above is the core goal under capitalism.
The two biggest famines in human history weren’t caused by droughts or natural disasters. They were caused by socialism.
Socialism was a failure. The economic policies of 1930s capitalism was also a failure.
Fortunately those aren’t the only two options. We don’t have to follow the failed systems of the past. There were successful economic policies used after WWII up until Ronald Reagan which were very successful.
Trust-busting, taxing the wealthy, and Keynesian economic policies were what led to the peak of human prosperity.
Socialism from the perspective of the working class was starvation followed by building lots of shitty tanks, followed by economic collapse. You should read history from that perspective a little more instead just reading the writings by the elites in those societies.
Are you talking about communism or socialism? You shouldn’t conflate the two. Both are different from each other and you.
You’re looking at this purely economically - prosperity isn’t only financial and this is where you’re failing to understand what wealth actually means. It’s more than what’s in your bank account.
But you’re correct that actually taxing the wealthy correctly would alleviate some of the problems using that to fund social programs would be a good start. That is what many European countries do - many are classed as Social Democracies for that reason.
Unfortunately I have read a lot of history so am not blissfully ignorant. But please don’t gatekeep thoughts or pontificate on “how smart you are”. It’s rather crass. Talking down to people only makes you seem gauche. There’s enough of that in the world.
It always weirds me out to see conservatives on Lemmy.