Those things are fine, but why does every single person need to drive their own car everywhere, including the places where public transit is the far more effective and healthy choice.
Why do you think almost every major city has a subway? The number of people who need to move around in the city far exceeds the available road space, without public transit, the entire city would be clogged with traffic.
Even in a more meta sense, cities can and should be healthy places that are built on a human scale. Necessitating cars for everybody pollutes more than just the air. Tires and brakes wear down, leaving microplastics and heavy metals to be washed into rivers when it rains.
Noise pollution from cars makes cities unpleasant and the air quality creates worse health outcomes for the people living there.
Human societies have existed without cars for thousands of years, and we already have a way to traverse cities effectively that predates widespread adoption of personal vehicles, mass public transit.
That’s such a bad faith argument. Those are what? 1% of the traffic? if those were the only ones permitted on the road they would be everlasting and we wouldn’t need to rebuild them every 5 years.
Not to mention the ambulances wouldn’t have to wake me up in the middle of the night and make me deaf when they go pass me
The bulk of the traffic is some fatzo sitting alone in his pollution machine and we both know it, coz you’re one of them.
The point is less about those specific activities and more about how roads enable commerce, trade, services, and general economic activity that’s necessary for society.
Roads are not the only solution, of course, but at least where I live it’s the solution that was already built into the infrastructure and city/town layout.
The trucks and vehicles that make your deliveries, pick up your trash, and stock your stores do about 15000 times more damage to the road than a passenger car. Even at a 1/100 ratio, that’s 150 times the damage of all the other vehicles, or if my shitty math is correct, approximately 99.34% of the road damage. All of the passenger vehicles on the road every day are a rounding error compared to Semis, Garbage trucks, fire engines, and construction equipment.
So I’d say it’s not a bad faith argument to point out that the people who don’t drive aren’t benefiting from road infrastructure.
For another comparison, it would be like saying that I shouldn’t have my taxes go to dam maintenance in my state since I don’t live in the flood zone.
Well okay, because it’s also a myth that only people who drive get value from roads.
Food does get trucked in somehow!
Yeah i just love exhaust gaz, constant noise and lung cancer.
How about groceries? Medicine? Emergency response services?
Garbage trucks
Construction equipment to fix the bike lanes that go to Trader Joe’s.
Delivery trucks/vans for everything you buy off the internet.
Those things are fine, but why does every single person need to drive their own car everywhere, including the places where public transit is the far more effective and healthy choice.
Name 3.
The downtown of any major city.
Why do you think almost every major city has a subway? The number of people who need to move around in the city far exceeds the available road space, without public transit, the entire city would be clogged with traffic.
Even in a more meta sense, cities can and should be healthy places that are built on a human scale. Necessitating cars for everybody pollutes more than just the air. Tires and brakes wear down, leaving microplastics and heavy metals to be washed into rivers when it rains. Noise pollution from cars makes cities unpleasant and the air quality creates worse health outcomes for the people living there.
Human societies have existed without cars for thousands of years, and we already have a way to traverse cities effectively that predates widespread adoption of personal vehicles, mass public transit.
That’s such a bad faith argument. Those are what? 1% of the traffic? if those were the only ones permitted on the road they would be everlasting and we wouldn’t need to rebuild them every 5 years.
Not to mention the ambulances wouldn’t have to wake me up in the middle of the night and make me deaf when they go pass me
The bulk of the traffic is some fatzo sitting alone in his pollution machine and we both know it, coz you’re one of them.
It is not a bad faith argument. Literally every single thing you eat is delivered by trick.
Obviously you have an overwhelming association between cars and roads in your brain but you could absolutely not survive without roads.
The point is less about those specific activities and more about how roads enable commerce, trade, services, and general economic activity that’s necessary for society.
Roads are not the only solution, of course, but at least where I live it’s the solution that was already built into the infrastructure and city/town layout.
The trucks and vehicles that make your deliveries, pick up your trash, and stock your stores do about 15000 times more damage to the road than a passenger car. Even at a 1/100 ratio, that’s 150 times the damage of all the other vehicles, or if my shitty math is correct, approximately 99.34% of the road damage. All of the passenger vehicles on the road every day are a rounding error compared to Semis, Garbage trucks, fire engines, and construction equipment.
So I’d say it’s not a bad faith argument to point out that the people who don’t drive aren’t benefiting from road infrastructure.
For another comparison, it would be like saying that I shouldn’t have my taxes go to dam maintenance in my state since I don’t live in the flood zone.
yeah now do exhaust gaz and noise pollution. Car drivers are selfish people who shouldn’t be in public space. Go drive on a racetrack or something
And you will get the car to the racetrack with a boat or magic I assume?
Nah, let’s see your solution for them instead.
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