Totally. Next they are going to issue devices to everyone that track their every step. You know, small devices, small enough to fit into a pocket. The devices might even be equipped with a microphone and a camera and they’ll have a constant wireless spy link that allows the spy network provider to track the location of each of these devices completely irrespective of what software is or is not running on the device.
And because it’s a corporate dictatorship, they might even make people pay for these devices themselves.
Tbh, I totally don’t get why people are so panicky about car tracking when everyone voluntarily owns a smartphone that allows much more in-detail position tracking than car tracking ever could.
Don’t you all know that network providers can and do track any mobile device (including dumb phones and phones with custom ROMs) in their networks? They physically have to do that to place your phone into the right network cell, but they then save your location. And if you live in the USA, go read your mobile network contract. Chances are very high that you gave your network provider permission to sell your location to whoever pays.
No it wouldn’t. Pagers as I used them received the same signals all through the country. The network didn’t even know if the pager was on or not. It was purely one way. It supported numeric (and tone) and even text messages (not encrypted but this day and age that would be possible). You could be out of coverage but the pager would warn you and due to the low frequency and low bandwidth coverage indoors was excellent. The only time I received an out of range message was when I visited a cave system.
Transmitting pagers with sending and receipt confirmation did also exist at one time but that’s not the ones I mean. Maybe a network will emerge again. It doesn’t actually cost a lot.
I’m kinda hoping more people will want their pagers back for precisely this reason.
No, pagers do bi-directional communication just like phones. Even the old pagers from the 70s used bi-directional communication. They didn’t just broadcast over the whole continent.
No they didn’t. Most pagers were receive-only. In my country two way paging networks weren’t even deployed. This is why they were allowed in hospitals and mobile phones weren’t, they didn’t transmit. Look up the POCSAG and ERMES protocols for example. All unidirectional. They didn’t work on the whole continent, just per country.
Perhaps in the US it was different, I’ve never been there. But there they sure were unidirectional. Even the text ones. I still have several of them and I’ve run my own transmitter for them on the amateur band.
You already have not a bunch but a horde of people watching every move you make on your phone, and not only are you ok with it, you even post your opinions on social media, which means you are totally fine with it.
Which makes the protest against a small bit more surveilance pretty hypocritical.
I have taken time-consuming measures to strengthen security on my phone and to degoogle and ditch big tech. It’s actually hard to do. I’m not in an area with people who stimulate me in conversation so Lemmy is good for me.
It’s all I can do to minimize this shit on my phone. I’ve spent a lot doing it. I can’t fight both mobile providers and auto companies too.
Does your phone connect to mobile network? If so, your network provider knows your location at all times, because they need to triangulate your position via the network to make sure your phone ends up in the right cell. And yes, they do save your location history, and if you are in a country like the US, you gave them the rights to sell that data when you signed your phone plan.
Do you use SMS messages? They are unencrypted and the contents are saved too.
Do you use DNS? Yeah, also unencrypted, and yeah, also that is saved and tracked, no matter which DNS server you configured.
All of this is way more critical information about you than the car tracking whether you are awake or not.
I repeat: Do you use a phone or a computer? Is it connected to the internet? If so, you are fine with much more surveilance than the car checking if you are awake.
Well, in this proposal, depending on camera coverage and positioning, you can take all reasonable steps to live a difficult phone free and car free life in the united states of america and still get pinged by someone else’s car.
Totally. Next they are going to issue devices to everyone that track their every step. You know, small devices, small enough to fit into a pocket. The devices might even be equipped with a microphone and a camera and they’ll have a constant wireless spy link that allows the spy network provider to track the location of each of these devices completely irrespective of what software is or is not running on the device.
And because it’s a corporate dictatorship, they might even make people pay for these devices themselves.
Tbh, I totally don’t get why people are so panicky about car tracking when everyone voluntarily owns a smartphone that allows much more in-detail position tracking than car tracking ever could.
Don’t you all know that network providers can and do track any mobile device (including dumb phones and phones with custom ROMs) in their networks? They physically have to do that to place your phone into the right network cell, but they then save your location. And if you live in the USA, go read your mobile network contract. Chances are very high that you gave your network provider permission to sell your location to whoever pays.
Yes I know but I can turn my phone off or leave it at home. Or bring a burner. If I’m driving somewhere I can’t turn my car off or leave it at home.
The burner is easily correlateable to you. If you don’t want to be tracked with your car, you can also use an oldtimer or take a bus.
But you know as well as me that you won’t turn your phone off or leave it at home.
I do often leave the house without a phone. Though I wish I could still get a pager for the most important information like my burglar alarm.
A pager would also be constantly tracked via network triangulation.
No it wouldn’t. Pagers as I used them received the same signals all through the country. The network didn’t even know if the pager was on or not. It was purely one way. It supported numeric (and tone) and even text messages (not encrypted but this day and age that would be possible). You could be out of coverage but the pager would warn you and due to the low frequency and low bandwidth coverage indoors was excellent. The only time I received an out of range message was when I visited a cave system.
Transmitting pagers with sending and receipt confirmation did also exist at one time but that’s not the ones I mean. Maybe a network will emerge again. It doesn’t actually cost a lot.
I’m kinda hoping more people will want their pagers back for precisely this reason.
No, pagers do bi-directional communication just like phones. Even the old pagers from the 70s used bi-directional communication. They didn’t just broadcast over the whole continent.
No they didn’t. Most pagers were receive-only. In my country two way paging networks weren’t even deployed. This is why they were allowed in hospitals and mobile phones weren’t, they didn’t transmit. Look up the POCSAG and ERMES protocols for example. All unidirectional. They didn’t work on the whole continent, just per country.
Perhaps in the US it was different, I’ve never been there. But there they sure were unidirectional. Even the text ones. I still have several of them and I’ve run my own transmitter for them on the amateur band.
Faraday car wrap.
Since these bunch of assholes violate my privacy, I should be okay with multiple groups of assholes doing it.
You already have not a bunch but a horde of people watching every move you make on your phone, and not only are you ok with it, you even post your opinions on social media, which means you are totally fine with it.
Which makes the protest against a small bit more surveilance pretty hypocritical.
I have taken time-consuming measures to strengthen security on my phone and to degoogle and ditch big tech. It’s actually hard to do. I’m not in an area with people who stimulate me in conversation so Lemmy is good for me.
It’s all I can do to minimize this shit on my phone. I’ve spent a lot doing it. I can’t fight both mobile providers and auto companies too.
Does your phone connect to mobile network? If so, your network provider knows your location at all times, because they need to triangulate your position via the network to make sure your phone ends up in the right cell. And yes, they do save your location history, and if you are in a country like the US, you gave them the rights to sell that data when you signed your phone plan.
Do you use SMS messages? They are unencrypted and the contents are saved too.
Do you use DNS? Yeah, also unencrypted, and yeah, also that is saved and tracked, no matter which DNS server you configured.
All of this is way more critical information about you than the car tracking whether you are awake or not.
Ford has patent for tech to listen to your conversations. The inside of your car has a reasonable expectation of privacy.
That’s what I’m saying. You are already surveiled 100% of the time.
We need to pressure for better legislation, not capitulate the next generation’s future to unethical psychos.
I repeat: Do you use a phone or a computer? Is it connected to the internet? If so, you are fine with much more surveilance than the car checking if you are awake.
Well, in this proposal, depending on camera coverage and positioning, you can take all reasonable steps to live a difficult phone free and car free life in the united states of america and still get pinged by someone else’s car.
Only when you get into the driver’s seat.