Jesus fucking christ. Could the fascist corporate dictatorship be any more obvious?
Once everyone’s okay with 24/7 surveillance in public, they’ll be installing cameras in every room of your home to ensure “private” compliance.
Totally. Next they are going to issue devices to everyone that track their every step. You know, small devices, small enough to fit into a pocket. The devices might even be equipped with a microphone and a camera and they’ll have a constant wireless spy link that allows the spy network provider to track the location of each of these devices completely irrespective of what software is or is not running on the device.
And because it’s a corporate dictatorship, they might even make people pay for these devices themselves.
Tbh, I totally don’t get why people are so panicky about car tracking when everyone voluntarily owns a smartphone that allows much more in-detail position tracking than car tracking ever could.
Don’t you all know that network providers can and do track any mobile device (including dumb phones and phones with custom ROMs) in their networks? They physically have to do that to place your phone into the right network cell, but they then save your location. And if you live in the USA, go read your mobile network contract. Chances are very high that you gave your network provider permission to sell your location to whoever pays.
Yes I know but I can turn my phone off or leave it at home. Or bring a burner. If I’m driving somewhere I can’t turn my car off or leave it at home.
The burner is easily correlateable to you. If you don’t want to be tracked with your car, you can also use an oldtimer or take a bus.
But you know as well as me that you won’t turn your phone off or leave it at home.
I do often leave the house without a phone. Though I wish I could still get a pager for the most important information like my burglar alarm.
A pager would also be constantly tracked via network triangulation.
No it wouldn’t. Pagers as I used them received the same signals all through the country. The network didn’t even know if the pager was on or not. It was purely one way. It supported numeric (and tone) and even text messages (not encrypted but this day and age that would be possible). You could be out of coverage but the pager would warn you and due to the low frequency and low bandwidth coverage indoors was excellent. The only time I received an out of range message was when I visited a cave system.
Transmitting pagers with sending and receipt confirmation did also exist at one time but that’s not the ones I mean. Maybe a network will emerge again. It doesn’t actually cost a lot.
I’m kinda hoping more people will want their pagers back for precisely this reason.
No, pagers do bi-directional communication just like phones. Even the old pagers from the 70s used bi-directional communication. They didn’t just broadcast over the whole continent.
Faraday car wrap.
Since these bunch of assholes violate my privacy, I should be okay with multiple groups of assholes doing it.
You already have not a bunch but a horde of people watching every move you make on your phone, and not only are you ok with it, you even post your opinions on social media, which means you are totally fine with it.
Which makes the protest against a small bit more surveilance pretty hypocritical.
I have taken time-consuming measures to strengthen security on my phone and to degoogle and ditch big tech. It’s actually hard to do. I’m not in an area with people who stimulate me in conversation so Lemmy is good for me.
It’s all I can do to minimize this shit on my phone. I’ve spent a lot doing it. I can’t fight both mobile providers and auto companies too.
Does your phone connect to mobile network? If so, your network provider knows your location at all times, because they need to triangulate your position via the network to make sure your phone ends up in the right cell. And yes, they do save your location history, and if you are in a country like the US, you gave them the rights to sell that data when you signed your phone plan.
Do you use SMS messages? They are unencrypted and the contents are saved too.
Do you use DNS? Yeah, also unencrypted, and yeah, also that is saved and tracked, no matter which DNS server you configured.
All of this is way more critical information about you than the car tracking whether you are awake or not.
Ford has patent for tech to listen to your conversations. The inside of your car has a reasonable expectation of privacy.
That’s what I’m saying. You are already surveiled 100% of the time.
Well, in this proposal, depending on camera coverage and positioning, you can take all reasonable steps to live a difficult phone free and car free life in the united states of america and still get pinged by someone else’s car.
Only when you get into the driver’s seat.
Use a bicycle and be free.
And yet ultra-moron turbofascists will point to public transit and bikeable neighborhoods as “digital prisons”.
It starts as passive tech. How long before its active? People always whine about, “that’s just a slippery slope fallacy that won’t ever really happen. This saves lives!” Well, its happening. The slope is real.
when I was 16 I knew I didn’t want to drive one day. didn’t end up saving for a car like all my classmates and friends. now look who’s laughing, not them because the car will think they’re drunk if they do.
When I grew up a car was something everyone basically needed to have. Basically you were a nobody without a driving license.
Even still in my home country it’s like that. And I’m not from America, it’s an EU country with decent public transport. But cars are glorified.
It’s pretty ridiculous. Not having one I save so much money, so much stress driving, so much hassle.
