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I reported a server where the users harassed, both online and offline, a trans woman who later killed herself. Then they made memes about her death. Discords ‘safety team’ suggested I talk to the server admin (who was part of the abuse) and closed the ticket.
They only understand when lawyers talk to them.
That’s disgusting.
It was a server for an irl streamer so I expected it to be toxic. I did not expect that level of toxicity. A bunch of untreated sociopaths.
“I would estimate that the entire fediverse is developed off of the backs of maybe, at best, 100 engineers,” she said. “All of whom are either low paid, underpaid, or unpaid, who are trying to build software, and at the same time, are supporting the userbase of monthly active users in the range of 1.1 million to 7.4 million.”
Transcription-Kevin Durant meme, “LIKE 100 PEOPLE:”…“Y’ALL THE REAL MVPS”
My respect goes to them
If anyone is looking for an alternative to discord, please check out revolt.chat The interface and user experience is the closest I’ve seen to discord (miles better than any Matrix client), has functioning voice chat (being rebuilt for more stability) custom server roles, and a functioning youtube music bot called Remix. They’re doing awesome work over there!
Edit: Forgot to mention that it’s also open-source and self-hostable (although not federated)
I think the problem with projects like that is they end up with stuff like this: https://i.imgur.com/PRX4haL.png where the only recommended client is one that is unmaintained.
Though I hope Revolt succeeds because Discord has way too big of a monopoly.
Though I hope Revolt succeeds because Discord has way too big of a monopoly.
I don’t understand why everyone thought moving everything to discord was a good idea that wouldn’t backfire for a million reasons.
By chance do you happen to use Revolt? If so, do you (or @Takeshidude@lemmy.world) know which client might be good to use?
I have just started using it, but I’m planing to migrate my small Discord group over to Revolt.
If you go to their website revolt.chat it’ll offer a download for desktop or a link to the web app, but they’re basically the same. They’re working on an updated client called Frontend which you can get a beta of from GitHub.
I’m on an iPhone and I used the save to Home Screen function in Safari while in the web app to get an icon for it, and I think it works pretty well! It can even do push notifications, but some weird artifacts of using the web app on mobile mean you’ll only get notifications from mentions in a server or a direct message (or group message).
I did try it, but it was missing video streaming last I checked. Also, they made self hosting without docker incredibly difficult.
why not matrix?
I’ve got a Matrix server up and running and have tried a couple of different clients, but at the end of the day the Matrix UX isn’t really an alternative to Discord, rather an alternative to Facebook Messenger/WhatsApp or other group message platforms.
The main thing I would point to is that Matrix itself only does text; the Element client uses Jitsi to add in audio/video calls and screensharing, but at least right now, it’s the only Matrix client to integrate voice, video, or screenshare.
My other gripes are just with the user interface, but if you open any of the Matrix mobile apps and compare it to Facebook Messenger and to the Discord mobile app, and you’ll see it really doesn’t look like Discord. I wish I could quantify it better, but Matrix just doesn’t feel like Discord whereas Revolt does.
The main thing I would point to is that Matrix itself only does text; the Element client uses Jitsi to add in audio/video calls and screensharing […]
Matrix VoIP is a thing, and it’s usable for audio & video on many clients, element and fluffychat come to mind, but probably more.
element call is also coming into element (and possibly other clients) for video calls and screensharing
My other gripes are just with the user interface, […] it really doesn’t look like Discord
why does that matter?
Jumping from one proprietary system to another isn’t really an improvement.
Discord:
- Takes down accounts for mass reporting without checking the issue.
- Takes down accounts for sharing slightly copyrighted content.
- Takes down accounts for using alternative discord clients.
- Doesn’t take down accounts related to coordinated spam attacks to another platform.
Discord being discord I guess, but it’s weird, I’ve seen them take down servers and accounts for all sorts of light issues, but not for this?
Discord only cares about piracy and cp. Because the copyright industry and the police forces them to, respectively.
I doubt they would spend resources on curbing even that if they werent forced tbh.
What if there was a class action lawsuit against Discord from the Mastodon admins?
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I’ve seen several people say that Matrix clients aren’t good at replacing Discord, but I’m having trouble understanding what exactly is missing. What critical features does Discord have that a client like Element lacks?
Voice chat quality is subpar, there is no screensharing audio, voice chat is buggy on a good day, unusuable on the rest.
I mean, there is the userbase …
Critical Mass, as it’s sometimes referred.
Here’s a critical feature: Matrix bans people using a VPN. Fuck that. I joined a channel for the first time, said “Hello”, and was instantly banned for “Spam”.
I have to use a VPN because I get my Internet from tethering my phone using EasyTether to make it look like phone data, and connecting to stuff like Windows Update would make it really obvious I’m doing so.
Are you talking about matrix.org? I have my own server. If it bans me, that’ll be wild.
Yeah, I think so. I downloaded the recommended app, connected to the recommended server, added a channel, tried to ask my question, and BAM! That was it.
I think they’re just hyper-vigilante about spammers. They have been targeted with a lot of spam as the flagship server. Unfortunate that you had a bad experience your first time trying it.
Not sure if you’re joking or not so I’m gonna go see for myself, brb
Edit: what the fuck…
Why would a company like discord even attempt to take action against coordinated attacks against anything they see as a threat? That’d only be shooting them in the foot because then people would have the most minute expectation of them doing anything good.
Because some of these actions might qualify as criminal offenses and if Discord had knowledge about it or even supported it, they’d be complicit.
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Costly? They were pretty pathetic spam attempts that are still ongoing.
Ingress and egress costs are real and those assholes attached images to their spam. Hundreds of posts coming in at 700kb a pop does damage if you’re relying on a cloud provider to store your shit. Then, it gets accessed by all your users.
Billing alarms go bing bing bing.
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