I do think I get what you’re insinuating. People equivocate their language when speaking about the State of Israel because disingenuous players will say, “THAT’S ANTISEMITIC” because they’re trying to trip you up and make you sound like you’re talking about Jewish people and not Israel.
At this point, however, I think that Israeli citizens who are turning a blind eye to the issues are just as guilty as Germans who did the same. Moreover, I would extend this indictment to fellow American citizens who aren’t doing anything.
Yes, but it’s both side. You get called antisematic for saying anything against Israeli policies in some places, but I find on Lemmy you get called hasbara and banned for saying anything even remotely critical of Palestinian actions. There can be no discourse to find any kind of reasonable path forward this way. So everyone moves further to their extremist sides thinking the other side is inhuman because they won’t listen. And we end up in a situation where both sides see the only solution as the complete destruction of the other.
I would hope if I repeated any Russian propaganda I would get called out on it. Then a discussion could take place on what we know and what is probably fabricated. And there is a place for valid criticism of Ukrane policies I’m sure - blind agreement with any side is ignorant. Obvious there’s a shit ton more of a place for criticism of Russian policies. And context matters. But banning people just because they don’t agree with the exact narrow narrative of a mod is counter productive. Obviously if someone is just blindly repeating garbage noise or is offensive then a ban has its place. But we’ve got to take care not to ruin Lemmy by banning everything that’s not 100% in agreement with the hive mind. That leads to vacuous discourse
Yes I’ve seen Russian apologists say stuff that is completely at odds with everything that I’ve seen reported. I think they’re lying and spewing propaganda, but I know in war that’s fairly normal and the West also spews propaganda. There’s sometimes a grain of truth; sometimes it is diametrically opposite of the truth. And then it can be interesting to dig down to the root message being played. But banning discussion should be reserved only for toxic messages, not just those that you disagree with. I’m sure there are Russians who actually believe Putin is doing the right thing based on the information they’ve been told - isn’t it good to find their sources and prove how they’re lies? They probably won’t admit it on the spot, but you can change minds through communication. It’s at least good to try.
I’ve been banned while specifically saying I do not support Isreal’s genocide. All it takes is saying Palestines shouldn’t call for the genocide of Jews and I’d be called a hasboro, a Zionist and an Israeli appologist. People don’t listen, they just see something that’s not 100% supporting their extreme position and they lash out - and I understand the hate, but there certainly are reasonable opinions that don’t involve revenge genocide, I would think. Banning discussion is stupid. It’s like burning books in libraries that you don’t agree with. Or defunding scientists because you don’t like the answers that the science provides.
But I talked specifically about people justifying settler colonialism and genocide . Don’t make it about yourself
Banning discussion is stupid. It’s like burning books in libraries that you don’t agree with. Or defunding scientists because you don’t like the answers that the science provides.
Wrong analogy. Banning people advocating for invading Ukraine or israel colonizing Palestine is similar to banning nazis, racists and supermasists
I do think I get what you’re insinuating. People equivocate their language when speaking about the State of Israel because disingenuous players will say, “THAT’S ANTISEMITIC” because they’re trying to trip you up and make you sound like you’re talking about Jewish people and not Israel.
At this point, however, I think that Israeli citizens who are turning a blind eye to the issues are just as guilty as Germans who did the same. Moreover, I would extend this indictment to fellow American citizens who aren’t doing anything.
Yes, but it’s both side. You get called antisematic for saying anything against Israeli policies in some places, but I find on Lemmy you get called hasbara and banned for saying anything even remotely critical of Palestinian actions. There can be no discourse to find any kind of reasonable path forward this way. So everyone moves further to their extremist sides thinking the other side is inhuman because they won’t listen. And we end up in a situation where both sides see the only solution as the complete destruction of the other.
You would get banned for doing Russian propaganda and claim criticism of Ukraine do not make you a russian propagandist
I would hope if I repeated any Russian propaganda I would get called out on it. Then a discussion could take place on what we know and what is probably fabricated. And there is a place for valid criticism of Ukrane policies I’m sure - blind agreement with any side is ignorant. Obvious there’s a shit ton more of a place for criticism of Russian policies. And context matters. But banning people just because they don’t agree with the exact narrow narrative of a mod is counter productive. Obviously if someone is just blindly repeating garbage noise or is offensive then a ban has its place. But we’ve got to take care not to ruin Lemmy by banning everything that’s not 100% in agreement with the hive mind. That leads to vacuous discourse
No context justify settler colonialism and genocide. Tou won’t fins anything in internstional always. Defending stuffs like that are not opinions
Most russian apologists are refuting concrete evidences. Those should be banned
Yes I’ve seen Russian apologists say stuff that is completely at odds with everything that I’ve seen reported. I think they’re lying and spewing propaganda, but I know in war that’s fairly normal and the West also spews propaganda. There’s sometimes a grain of truth; sometimes it is diametrically opposite of the truth. And then it can be interesting to dig down to the root message being played. But banning discussion should be reserved only for toxic messages, not just those that you disagree with. I’m sure there are Russians who actually believe Putin is doing the right thing based on the information they’ve been told - isn’t it good to find their sources and prove how they’re lies? They probably won’t admit it on the spot, but you can change minds through communication. It’s at least good to try.
Nothing more toxic than justifying illegal wars and genocides. Again we are not talking about opinions
I’ve been banned while specifically saying I do not support Isreal’s genocide. All it takes is saying Palestines shouldn’t call for the genocide of Jews and I’d be called a hasboro, a Zionist and an Israeli appologist. People don’t listen, they just see something that’s not 100% supporting their extreme position and they lash out - and I understand the hate, but there certainly are reasonable opinions that don’t involve revenge genocide, I would think. Banning discussion is stupid. It’s like burning books in libraries that you don’t agree with. Or defunding scientists because you don’t like the answers that the science provides.
But I talked specifically about people justifying settler colonialism and genocide . Don’t make it about yourself
Wrong analogy. Banning people advocating for invading Ukraine or israel colonizing Palestine is similar to banning nazis, racists and supermasists