• Commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 days ago

    Yeah, because it makes no sense. How can you support “all peoples of the world” when there’s class which divides said people and puts them directly in opposition with one another?

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      My naive interpretation of the OP is; they support all ethnic and religious groups but not the states that lay claim to those ethnic and religious identities. Not being against class, would, to me, be the opposite of supporting all people(s).

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      I am of course not the OP but I would assume they believe that statelessness would somehow equate to classlessness?

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        Maybe, the OG tweet to me reads like the classic cosmopolitan position that doesn’t concern itself with class and shows support for the things as they are found today (like the bourgeois equivalent of the international marxist position supporting proletariat as a whole but not nation states).

        Even then, you can certainly have class relations without the state. Nationalism is a relatively new concept, with the history of class society existing without it for thousands of years, and there also being nothing that would stop private firms from surviving without the state, with them taking on the tasks of the state business-wise (i.e. security, logistics, infrastructure) privately.

  • AF_R [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    1 day ago

    Anarchists and their ideology completely falling apart upon even the mildest scrutiny with literally zero logical counter arguments ever appearing will never cease to entertain me

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    I can’t support all peoples of the world. I’ve worked in customer service, and I want to kill a significant percentage of the world’s population. Otherwise, I agree with this person.

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      It’s important to note that people are mirrors of the system/conditions that they live under. They are steeped and conditioned by frustration, stress, shame, scarcity, competition, individualism, lack of empathy/solidarity/communality, entitlement that comes from either high class that “deserves/earned” it or from trying to grasp at any amount of control they can get over what happens to them amidst a feeling of utter helplessness of having no meaningful effect on how society around them operates, etc.

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    But…states DO exist, and some states are shockingly violent while others are required to exist to repel the violence of those states. When you have a war between a majorly powerful state or a superpower (America) and a much weaker global South country (Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Korea, etc), sure, you can take the stance of not supporting any state, but the weaker state are the ones in the role of defending the people of their state. Taking a neutral stance in a situation like this isn’t neutral at all, it’s of benefit to the stronger power.

    I can say I don’t support any state, but then you have France for example assassinating leaders in Africa and we can see the tangible results. Neo-colonial countries also claim to support the people of the nations they invade, and yet the results they produce always look like horror shows for those people.

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    I only support good things, and don’t support any bad things.

    The only reason you think this is “frying people’s circuits” is because they immediately recognize the dumb game you’re playing and either try to shake you out of it or immediately dismiss you as unserious.

  • thatsnomayo [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    The question is do you have pet interest group in every nation in the world (easy to pick up from major western papers & consider yourself worldly lol) or do you systematically apply political pressure to bring about a higher QoL for the world’s citizens? The world’s most effective political parties, like Communist Party of China & Communist Part of Vietnam see the world as one great civilization with different parts at war with itself, but inextricably linked. These links are the essence of the entire struggle & confronting imperialist forces while promoting the welfare of all workers in the long run. Breaking the exploitative links that western workers (anarchist, MAGAtt, purple hippopotamus with wings, whatever ideology) bargain with their leaders for access to rather than seizing & developing m.o.production is good for them in the long term

    tl;dr - unilaterally trying to increase the living conditions of all workers without analyzing which asset market they intend to plant those wages in, or whether those wages are artificially inflated relative to the globe, is more than just wrong, it is at the end of its lifespan bruh