It’s very hard to prove a negative, especially to people who want to believe, thanks to over a century of anticommunist propaganda. The burden of proof ought to be on those making claims of secret foreign police stations on their soil, an extraordinary claim. All those articles are trash and have no real evidence. And they don’t need any, because almost no Westerners demand any, because the narrative aligns with their preconception of communist states as cartoonishly evil.
It was my understanding that the existence of police stations in foreign countries is not debated, they have them.
No, that’s not a thing. What country allows another country to have police stations on its sovereign territory, where it has sovereign jurisdiction and the foreign country has none? That makes no sense.
I was under an impression that it was always “police station” with the quotes, to make it more sinister or smthing (and it was sold as something unlicensed by the country where ir was repoeted, obviously)
But the Evil Empire did prosecute someone in the case of those stations, as far as I can tell with no verdicts yet - but it seems to be some PIs?
AFP: The Dutch government said yesterday that no permission was sought from the Netherlands for the Chinese “police service stations”, and it ordered China to close the “police service stations” in the Netherlands. What is China’s comment?
Zhao Lijian: I would refer you to competent authorities for more detailed information. Let me say that according to our understanding, the sites you mentioned are not “police stations” or “police service centers”. They assist overseas Chinese nationals who need help in accessing the online service platform to get their driving licenses renewed and receive physical check-ups for that purpose. The venues are provided by local overseas Chinese communities who would like to be helpful, and the people who work on those sites are all volunteers who come from these communities. They are not police personnel from China. There is no need to make people nervous about this.
It seems you’ve done more research than me, and have more incentive to, having lived in China, so you tell me.
It’s doubtless that China has spy networks, as all countries do, and if some or all of these “police station” locations have connections to them, that wouldn’t surprise me. But “secret police station” implies that China is extraordinarily renditioning people or locking them up in secret prisons in Toronto, New York, Amsterdam, etc. Even if they are part of a spy network, they’re still not “police stations.”
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It’s very hard to prove a negative, especially to people who want to believe, thanks to over a century of anticommunist propaganda. The burden of proof ought to be on those making claims of secret foreign police stations on their soil, an extraordinary claim. All those articles are trash and have no real evidence. And they don’t need any, because almost no Westerners demand any, because the narrative aligns with their preconception of communist states as cartoonishly evil.
Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing”
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No, that’s not a thing. What country allows another country to have police stations on its sovereign territory, where it has sovereign jurisdiction and the foreign country has none? That makes no sense.
I was under an impression that it was always “police station” with the quotes, to make it more sinister or smthing (and it was sold as something unlicensed by the country where ir was repoeted, obviously)
But the Evil Empire did prosecute someone in the case of those stations, as far as I can tell with no verdicts yet - but it seems to be some PIs?
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/private-investigator-sentenced-prison-interstate-stalking-and-harassment-chinese-nationals
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The things mentioned in the article aren’t police stations, Chinese or otherwise, nor are they secret.
I can’t read Chinese, can you?
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson’s Remarks on “Overseas Chinese Service Centers in the Netherlands”
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It seems you’ve done more research than me, and have more incentive to, having lived in China, so you tell me.
It’s doubtless that China has spy networks, as all countries do, and if some or all of these “police station” locations have connections to them, that wouldn’t surprise me. But “secret police station” implies that China is extraordinarily renditioning people or locking them up in secret prisons in Toronto, New York, Amsterdam, etc. Even if they are part of a spy network, they’re still not “police stations.”
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