I’m watching all this for 1450 bucks (e: after taxes):
- AMD Ryzen 7 9700X
- AMD Radeon RX 7700XT 12GB
- MSI B650 motherboard
- Corsair 32GB DDR5 6000MHz
- Corsair RMe 850W
- 2TB NVMe
- 360mm 320W liquid cooling
Is this a coherent build?
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if its meant for gaming, youre spending way to much on the cpu and its cooling, and not enough on the gpu
Everyone is giving you the correct advice that unless you’re getting the cpu for free or know exactly why you aren’t, any x3d will make you happier.
No one is giving you the dark horse, underdog advice that you should put a spinning hard drive in there too.
Even if you just use it as a backup for your nvme you’ll be happy but spinning drives work great as “worm” disks and will almost always last longer than equivalent flash media. Having a place to put your video and audio files as well as code and other stuff that doesn’t need to go into ram fast as fuck boyee will let you stretch your nvme more as games baloon up to giant size too.
E: I didn’t see you were going liquid cooling too. I’d go air with a big heatsink. If you have the case for it then there’s no reason not to especially with the new ptm thermal pads. Liquid has become very popular and much more reliable but still has a bunch more points of failure (pump, each seal) than air does and it costs much more for not a lot more degrees. The cpu will protect itself if it’s trying to get too hot anyway and you’re not actually gonna do any overclocking to begin with. If any thing you’ll often see gains from under clocking.
So yeah, go air instead of liquid.
No one is giving you the dark horse, underdog advice that you should put a spinning hard drive in there too.
Even if you just use it as a backup for your nvme you’ll be happy but spinning drives work great as “worm” disks and will almost always last longer than equivalent flash media. Having a place to put your video and audio files as well as code and other stuff that doesn’t need to go into ram fast as fuck boyee will let you stretch your nvme more as games baloon up to giant size too.
I did this. High capacity hard disk (spinning) drives have gotten pretty cheap, and with the right filesystem, the NVMe can serve as a warm cache in front of the slower HDDs. I’m not sure how it works in practice, but Windows has a feature called “Storage Spaces” to do LVM-like things along these lines. The most sophisticated options are in Windows Server, but I believe it is also available in the higher teir desktop OSes. On Linux, you can use block layer systems like LVM or BCache, or special-purpose multi-disk filesystems like BCacheFS. Not sure if I’d recommend it (for project longevity reasons), but I went the BCacheFS route with 2TB of NVMe backed by 2x6TB HDDs.
It’s definitely worth looking into a solution which merges the physical drives into a logical volume, whether at the block or filesystem level. Rather than just having separate fast and slow filesystems, you can have hot files automatically promoted to the SSD and cold files automatically demoted to the HDD. My setup gives me one single 12TB filesystem with most of the upsides of the NVMe storage. It also allows me to take individual devices out of the array for replacement if e.g. the NVMe wears, or a HDD starts making noise. And because it is implemented at the filesystem layer, things like replication can be configured at the directory level, instead of being all-or-nothing like a traditional RAID or LVM configuration which operate below the filesystem layer.
That’s cool!
Editing this to add some extra detail and also to add onto plinky 's comment
Can you share what your main use case is? It’s a weird mix of parts.
GPU - I would aim for the 9060xt 16gb over the 7700xt, in my market it’s currently cheaper and has better or equivalent performance, more vram, next generation. 7800XT is also an option in that price range but at that point you might as well aim for the 9070XT.
CPU - If you are playing games and aiming for high frames, go for a x3D1 model. Otherwise the 9700X should be fine, any current gen Ryzen7/9 CPU that fits your budget and use case should be fine. Almost all AM5 cpus are still extreme overkill in terms of performance anyway. AM5 should be supported for a long long time so you can also get a cheaper model and upgrade later when prices are a bit more reasonable.
Liquid Cooling - This also depends on your environment, I prefer liquid cooling as I live in a region with an absurd amount of dust and similar particles, have pets and carpet etc. Liquid cooling radiators are so much easier to clean than the inside of a air cooler, if appropriate air cooling is cheaper and still very effective.
Storage - I was going to recommend against the 2TB NVME but prices really are down, they’re in line with 512GB and 1TB NVME drives now, why not. You can just mix and match to find the best solution here.
1 I can’t understate just how ridiculous the performance uplift is from a x3d cpu in terms of frames, but if you don’t have the monitor to even notice the difference it is pointless and you’ll just be taking the productivity hit. All AM5 Ryzen9 CPUs come with increased L3 cache anyway.
I would be using for it gaming and compiling too. I was eyeing the 16 core ones but it went bad fast lol. I’m not sure where “high frames” is exactly but I wasn’t really aiming for that. About the gpu, I didn’t think there was such a change in performance. Plus the other options you mentioned aren’t any cheaper. Thank you for the advice!
you don’t need liquid cooler (your cpu will be like 70-90w, the price of cooler is only for noise levels and looks), power supply is too big (you need like 500w tops with this) and maybe 9060xt makes some sense (?) in similar range, it’s newer and stuff. (also, if you are not doing professional stuff, 16gb memory is kinda fine, but maybe dodgy if it’s for 10 years).
(also 7700 and 9700 were kinda samey if memory serves, so if old one is drastically cheaper
)like if i were to make extreme cheapo gaming version for later upgrade, i would get 7700x (to get x3d/9950/10800x3d whaever later for games/work) with b650 (great motherboards), 512 gb hard drive (for system and 1 game, to upgrade later with additional drives, they can get like 2-3 nvme slots - that’s advisable even for your build, if you are trying to save money, but ready to upgrade later - 2tb nvme drive is actually very specific need, i think, big games on constant rotation (or large video projects, on constant rotation as well), 9070xt, and 550w power supply, that’s around 1000 bucks without taxes maybe? i think it will only choke on some high fps shooters. (unless you run 1080p, then 9060 is more than fine)
(also x3d is kinda meme thingy on lower end gpus/monitors, don’t bother unless you have 120 hz+ monitor)
Thank you for the advice. I kinda saw there weren’t better deals for the cpu, so I went with that one and skimped more on the gpu. I’ll assess the nvme thing, I was planning on dualbooting but I don’t know what my drives will look like, I just saw they weren’t that more expensive than 1TB. Lastly the power supply I immediately saw it shouldn’t be so beefy lmao
One drive dual boot works very meh for me, especially with encryption (or I haven’t figured nice way to move/cross use files, cause i dump them by habit in user folders or separate drive, would be happy to be corrected for next time i’m reinstalling). Also, be sure it’s not qlc for system drive
Also there are some times that 12/16 cores are priced lower (especially 12, cause it’s triggering lots of people) - but i think next year zen6 will be 12 core anyway, so that’s why if upgrading is an option it makes some sense to cheap out on cpu on am5, unless needed.
Ah, also if as comrade mentioned you want liquid cooler for dust, lately even cheaper cases come with dust filters, you just slide out to wash, so maybe check out if your case have it. It works fine, maybe once in 3 years the inside gets dusty enough to be vacuumed
I finally settled on 7700x and 9060xt and taking into account your (plural) advice I’m sitting at 1200 after taxes. Kinda tempted to go for 9060xt 8gb because it’s 80 bucks less but I’m not sure what that would get me. Also not sure if I should cheap out more and go to 7700 with the stock cooler for a 100 less.
i think 7700 is like 5% worse, it’s slightly downclocked or running eco mode constantly, something like that, it’s actually reasonable get, but you should recheck reviews, cause i don’t remember very well what was the deal with them and if they can be clocked back to full, or nah. Depending how much work you do, could be annoying enough to skip it or fine.
yeah, dunno, 8gb kinda dodgy for modern games, but if you do like decade old stuff might work (+it will definitely get worse for newer titles over time, the consoles target like 12 gb internally)
I see. The savings on the 7700 as it is in my case is pretty good for what I miss. I’ll get the better memory on the gpu
i went with a MSI X670E mobo and AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D cpu and have been very happy with it
