• Montagge@lemmy.zip
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    4 days ago

    Yeah, defeat fascism with a witty sign and a good chant! Law enforcement will NEVER escalate if you don’t!

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      3 days ago

      This is the problem, right here:

      You don’t know how the MLK Jr. protests actually operated.

      Pick up a fucking book about it.

      It was a very complex organized effort centered around litigation, and peaceful protesting protected all the people participating in it.

      Civil disobedience is far more powerful than any violent resistance, because it plays against the fascists’ narrative. There will be a lot of causalities, a lot of pain and sadness, but the more people participate in peaceful protests, the more it raises awareness and grinds the machine to a halt.

      There is no economy if the laborers don’t participate in it.

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        You have no idea how much I’ve read about the civil rights movement as a whole.

        Fascists don’t need anyone to play into their narrative. They will create it by any means necessary knowing that even if it’s complete bullshit most will do fuck all about it.

        In this country things will be way too far gone before you get enough people to participate to grind the economy to a halt. Some of y’all have way too much faith in your fellow American to do what’s right.

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          I doubt that, because you are falling for the fascist playbook.

          A) They can make up whatever narrative, but they do need others to play into it because otherwise they just look insane and fascists are incredibly sensitive to mockery.

          B) If you choose violent resistance, it will alienate your fellow Americans unless you can completely protect them from your actions (like Lūîgï).

          C) It takes a really long time for a complacent nation to be convinced that it is worth joining a cause. You need a lot of charismatic and intelligent leaders to convince them, like Bernie, AOC, David, Jasmine, Frost, etc.

          Read. A. Fucking. Book.

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              3 days ago

              If someone told me I needed to read a book about a subject in order to educate myself about the facts, I would ask:

              “What books would you recommend?”

              Because I actually like challenging my ideas.

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      4 days ago

      Is your supposedly sarky comment supposed to imply peaceful protests are less effective than, idk, all out war, or whatever the fuck you’re proposing?

      Non-violence and civil disobedience are where it’s at, and exactly what Sanders did in that image and what he is advocating now.

      You’re not familiar with a guy called Gandhi, I take it.

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        Ghadi wouldn’t have done shit with out the violent movements going on at the same time.

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          Without Gandhi, without MLK, without Malcolm X, there wouldn’t have been any protests to turn violent. It’d be incredibly willfully ignorant to claim that protesting and civil disobedience don’t matter. So stupid, I might even make me suspicious of whether one can — in good faith — be that ignorant.

          So go read a history book, you’re boring me.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance

          Whatever I say, you’re gonna just write a childish “nuh-uh” reply, so I don’t think there’s anything you can write that’s even of remote interest to me.

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              Ah yes, the reply without anything to say.

              Like I said, there’s nothing you could say that would be remotely interesting to me. Guess I was right.

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                  And whys would you try something you know you’ll fail at, completely understandable buddy.

                  You couldn’t hack it with the conversation and now you’ve just ignored it completely, because again, you need to go read some history.