Problem: ‘each other’ includes people who support the worst aspects of that corrupt system and, in fact, find it their highest political value to see it perpetuated.
Another problem: those who support the worst aspects of the system are united, those who oppose it are too busy fighting over who’s opposed enough to the point that it’s impossible to mount any kind of effective response.
I’m starting to think the “disorganized left” thing is kinda bullshit. The right clearly has infighting, even at the highest level, and the left has been organizing protest after protest.
I can’t go a day on lemmy without seeing someone arguing about how people like Sanders and AOC might as well be “liberals” because they’re not “true leftists” and how we shouldn’t vote for them because they’re not far enough left.
We saw it in the 2024 election when people refused to vote at all because Harris wasn’t far enough left.
I’ve seen more people shit talking other left leaning people over single issues than I have any kind of infighting on the right.
Sounds like you’re spending too much time online and not out talking to groups and people in person. I started volunteering late last year and lefty groups who are actually doing something get along way smoother than people just talking online.
To the person you responded to’s point tho, that 1/3 that care for differing degree see that fact as a reason to fracture. The people who do care, regardless of how much, cant unite to make any progress. The first 1/3 you mentioned is united and follows orders, so theyre getting their way.
If the third that care can unite, itll be much easier to convince others to care
Problem: ‘each other’ includes people who support the worst aspects of that corrupt system and, in fact, find it their highest political value to see it perpetuated.
Another problem: those who support the worst aspects of the system are united, those who oppose it are too busy fighting over who’s opposed enough to the point that it’s impossible to mount any kind of effective response.
And the system’s supporters know the only way to keep winning is to encourage our division.
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I’m starting to think the “disorganized left” thing is kinda bullshit. The right clearly has infighting, even at the highest level, and the left has been organizing protest after protest.
I can’t go a day on lemmy without seeing someone arguing about how people like Sanders and AOC might as well be “liberals” because they’re not “true leftists” and how we shouldn’t vote for them because they’re not far enough left.
We saw it in the 2024 election when people refused to vote at all because Harris wasn’t far enough left.
I’ve seen more people shit talking other left leaning people over single issues than I have any kind of infighting on the right.
Sounds like you’re spending too much time online and not out talking to groups and people in person. I started volunteering late last year and lefty groups who are actually doing something get along way smoother than people just talking online.
Anarchists, Leftists, Socialists, and Democrats.
What do they all hate 1000X more than they hate eachother?
Trump.
Organized and unified by sheer spite.
I’d argue it’s not simple spite. Spite implies it’s an irrational hatred, being a sore loser. The guy is a danger to pretty much everyone.
1/3 are fascist supporters
1/3 are indifferent (for now)
1/3 care to differing degrees
The good news is that the pro-fascists are outnumbered.
The bad news is that everyone else needs convincing, which can often come off as (and sometimes lead to) infighting.
To the person you responded to’s point tho, that 1/3 that care for differing degree see that fact as a reason to fracture. The people who do care, regardless of how much, cant unite to make any progress. The first 1/3 you mentioned is united and follows orders, so theyre getting their way.
If the third that care can unite, itll be much easier to convince others to care
In fact a core demand of the yellow vest protests were… the lowering of a tax on fossil fuels. I think these guys might be the baddies, actually.