Please explain why there are "only’ 12 “civilian transferable” to a non-us…
Because here I stood thinking the ar15 already was the epitome of civilian wtf.
Prior to 1986, any US citizen could buy pretty much any machine gun they wanted so long as it was registered and the tax on the transfer was paid.
After 1986, you could not buy a new machine gun but could buy a “transferrable”(registered prior to 1986) machine gun as long as the tax was paid and you pass a background check.
This lead to a ton of registrations of various means to covert a semi auto gun into a full auto gun, some as simple as two pieces of metal sheet.
Post '86 machines guns are not transferrable between civilians unless the civilians have a special type of license that qualifies them as a manufacturer or demonstrator of certain weapons.
The demonstration class requires you to be actively demonstrating the firearms to law enforcement or government agencies as certified by a letter expressing interest or demand. So you have to have a department advocating on your behalf so that you could take transfer of a post 1986 machine gun.
For manufacturers, there is the expectation of demonstration, so you can’t just make a machine gun for your own usage, it has to be demonstrated.
So there are only 12 m134 “gatling” guns that were registed prior to 1986 that can be purchased by your average Joe with a clean record. Most are prized pieces in a collection and will likely only see the auction block once a generation. They fire 2,000-6,000 rounds a minute, an M4(full auto AR-15) fires 700-970 rounds per minute.
There are supposedly also 6 transferrable mk19 automatic 40mm grenade launchers out there which go for over $600k. Problem with those is each round costs between $400 and $3000 and takes 9-18 months to transfer.
Jeez…thanks for the details.
Wow. But…what if someone “defends” himself in a home-robbery with such a doomsday-device? Is that also level then or just simply the posession?
There are an estimated 741k legal machine guns in the US. There has only been one incident of self-defense with a lawfully possessed machine gun, he was not guilty. There has only been 3 cases of legally owned machine guns being used in a homicide, two of those were cops, since 1934. Machine guns used in crime are unlawfully owned or manufactured.
The means of self defense does not matter in most cases, that does vary by state though. If you have a handgun and attack me, and I have an M16, and I kill you, I am within my rights assuming I had not provoked your attack.
Some states that are anti-gun would say that you using a gun against someone with a knife is an uneven use of force, so using a machine gun in those states against someone with a knife who is attacking you would be a big court case. Why they think an attacker should have fair odds and be met with a knife fight is beyond me. The loser of a knife fight dies in the street and the winner dies in the ambulance, shoot the fucker and live to sort out the rest.
It’s because in the USA you could legally own machine guns before the 1970s(?). Since the USA rarely retroactively makes things illegal… all the transferable miniguns were made before then and are registered to the ATF.
Please explain why there are "only’ 12 “civilian transferable” to a non-us… Because here I stood thinking the ar15 already was the epitome of civilian wtf.
Prior to 1986, any US citizen could buy pretty much any machine gun they wanted so long as it was registered and the tax on the transfer was paid.
After 1986, you could not buy a new machine gun but could buy a “transferrable”(registered prior to 1986) machine gun as long as the tax was paid and you pass a background check.
This lead to a ton of registrations of various means to covert a semi auto gun into a full auto gun, some as simple as two pieces of metal sheet.
Post '86 machines guns are not transferrable between civilians unless the civilians have a special type of license that qualifies them as a manufacturer or demonstrator of certain weapons.
The demonstration class requires you to be actively demonstrating the firearms to law enforcement or government agencies as certified by a letter expressing interest or demand. So you have to have a department advocating on your behalf so that you could take transfer of a post 1986 machine gun.
For manufacturers, there is the expectation of demonstration, so you can’t just make a machine gun for your own usage, it has to be demonstrated.
So there are only 12 m134 “gatling” guns that were registed prior to 1986 that can be purchased by your average Joe with a clean record. Most are prized pieces in a collection and will likely only see the auction block once a generation. They fire 2,000-6,000 rounds a minute, an M4(full auto AR-15) fires 700-970 rounds per minute.
There are supposedly also 6 transferrable mk19 automatic 40mm grenade launchers out there which go for over $600k. Problem with those is each round costs between $400 and $3000 and takes 9-18 months to transfer.
Jeez…thanks for the details. Wow. But…what if someone “defends” himself in a home-robbery with such a doomsday-device? Is that also level then or just simply the posession?
Not sure what the second question is.
There are an estimated 741k legal machine guns in the US. There has only been one incident of self-defense with a lawfully possessed machine gun, he was not guilty. There has only been 3 cases of legally owned machine guns being used in a homicide, two of those were cops, since 1934. Machine guns used in crime are unlawfully owned or manufactured.
The means of self defense does not matter in most cases, that does vary by state though. If you have a handgun and attack me, and I have an M16, and I kill you, I am within my rights assuming I had not provoked your attack.
Some states that are anti-gun would say that you using a gun against someone with a knife is an uneven use of force, so using a machine gun in those states against someone with a knife who is attacking you would be a big court case. Why they think an attacker should have fair odds and be met with a knife fight is beyond me. The loser of a knife fight dies in the street and the winner dies in the ambulance, shoot the fucker and live to sort out the rest.
It’s because in the USA you could legally own machine guns before the 1970s(?). Since the USA rarely retroactively makes things illegal… all the transferable miniguns were made before then and are registered to the ATF.
They’re talking about the minigun