• TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml
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    Americans need to stop saying the Democrats want universal healthcare. They don’t and they’ve made that clear numerous times.

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        Obamacare, the multiple times in 2016, 2020, and 2024 when they were deciding on a platform and universal healthcare never made the cut. They’ve had plenty of opportunities to push it and they never do.

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          Recently, you, Americans, made it crystal clear that campaigning on universal healthcare will not get you elected. Numerous times. Obamacare was the last time the word healthcare wasn’t a ticket to losertown. A bunch of progressives got this stupid idea that if you don’t vote, things will magically happen exactly as you want them to happen. Then they’re surprised that regressives vote their people in power and implement exactly what they want to implement.

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            Lol you don’t even live here come talking bout my politics boyo! get yer own house clean and shut yer fool mouth

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              Your fucking politics permuates the whole world, you motherfuchers can’t do shit yourselves, you fuckers made it everyone else’s business. Fix your shit or quit whining.

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                Aint you Germans supposed to be punctual? How long did it take you to come up with basically

                “No u”

                Your country has major problems boyo. you don’t have time or the education to be shakin yer finger across the pond at me, especially with the level of understanding you possess (none)

                I thought Yall had a better edu program than we yanks do.

                No effin shame lol fam get outta here

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            Universal health care is antithetical to both market economies and economic freedom which are both core liberal principles. Liberals cannot actively support it without also confronting the inherent contradictions within liberal ideology.

            Unless you’re using the term “liberal” in the US sense of ‘anybody “left” of fascism’ in which case you’re statistically correct, but mostly due to generalization.

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              Well how about this I DEFINATELY %100 do agree that capitalism has a fucking problem. I believe it makes more sense to regulate harshly and have a 50s style tax on the rich than to throw baby out with water. Im liberal in the sense that HUMAN RIGHTS must take precedent no matter what part of an economic shift we’re in

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                Liberals cannot actively support it without also confronting the inherent contradictions within liberal ideology.

                Thank you, I couldn’t have asked for a better demonstration of this point. A healthcare system that is based on the free market but that is “regulat[ed] harshly and [with] a 50s style tax on the rich” is not universal healthcare!

                If you can see the issues with healthcare and can understand why universal healthcare would be a necesarry improvement then how are you still advocating for a free market solution for anything?

                That baby died a long time ago, and required required constant human rights violations to keep it alive in the first place. Getting rid of the bathwater won’t bring it back or make it require less cruelty to keep alive.

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                  I never said I was against UHC? Where do I mention anything about free market anything? Free market doesnt do shit when monopolies are allowed to run rampant. I-am-pro-human-rights-above all. About the only thing I "agree with "on with capitalist is being pro personal property but only in the sense that the gov doesnt have a right to come and take your personal shit for no reason. That does not extend to businesses and monopolistic expanse of land ownership.