C’mon guys this is such an easy win for us as a country. Justin went a little too far with his style of governing for a lot of you and now the liberals have voted this guy to be it’s leader and new PM. This is who we want to lead us into the second half of the 20th century, this guy is so fucking smart. Pierre just sings slogans and simple pretty things that sound nice but in reality he’s just going to sell us off to American interests and cut the things that help working people.
Clearly don’t understand the appeal of the conservatives policies at all if that’s how you simply view them. No party’s perfect, but the cons are largely responsible for many of the moves carney has made. Consumer carbon tax is an example of that.
Even the consumer carbon tax being removed is a dumb thing. It was only done to shut the conservatives up because all they were doing was kicking up misinformation about it. The carbon tax literally impacted the richest of us more than the working class, the working class even gained more money from it as we move away from ICE’s and more towards EVs and hybrids, heat pumps, etc.
The only appeal the conservatives have are for the richest of the country really. No GST on new homes if you’re a first time home buyer OR NOT. How does that help? That just means rich people can get a 5% break on buying new houses to sell off or rent out. Their tax cut? While the most out of all the other parties, will also cost the most and where are they going to get that money from? Take a guess. And then the declaration of using the not withstanding clause, opening that can of worms just so they can overrule the charter and constitition to be “tough on crime” it’s rediculous.
The NDP and bloc and greens have far better platforms then the cons but people who vote conservative are too fucking stupid to vote for anyone else, or just simply read for that matter
Sorry, I completely disagree with you.
How exactly do you disagree with them? They were more stating facts than opinions.
People don’t like confronting the disturbing facts of reality and instead reject reality and substitute their own
The consumer carbon tax was the most minor of minor problems in the consumer economy but Poliviere paints it as the end of civilization as we know it. Now he’s shifted to industrial carbon tax (which mainstream economists all agree don’t hurt the consumer much if at all) and other taxes that he wants to “axe” again for being the end of civilization as we know it. None of which by the way he advocated against until recently. He’s so painfully obviously in the pocked of big oil.
And people love to gloss over the fact that the industrial tax NEEDS to be there in order for us to diversify and increase trade with the EU, a modern advanced society. Meanwhile PP just loves to claim that we will get rid of it and… Do nothing? That’s because the Conservative party have flat out voted that climate change is not real. Completely anti science bullshit. If anyone is from the days of the PCs, they would vote for Carney
I highly recommend taking a look through pages like this: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/platform-crunch-3-every-party-is-promising-tax-cuts-and-cash-transfers/
Its really interesting to see how the proposed changes actually benefit different income brackets. TLDR: Proposed income tax changes from the Conservatives and Liberals predominantly benefit the richest tax bracket(s). If you happen to be in those tax brackets, I can see how conservative policies might ‘appeal’ to that demographic.
In general, when parties propose tax cuts (unless very thoughtfully targeted), they benefit the rich - who already have ample financial resources to pay for things they might need (like healthcare, private education for their children, etc.), while those who get net benefit from taxation through services are net losers from tax cuts… Because cutting taxes necessitates some reductions in service funding to balance the books. (I’m always fascinated when low income voters vote conservative as opposed to NDP.)
Weird take. Yes, the consumer carbon tax sure. But look at housing, Carney has one of the most ambitious plans in the developed world, the cons’ is more of the same with minor tweaks. Admittedly, Polievre borrowed Carney’s removal of duplicate reviews… But other stuff, like expanding resources East West have been pursued by both parties for years but mostly died against opposition from the provinces.
It’s why Polievre is reduced to cheap stunts like provoking a constitutional battle to extra punish murderers or stupid sound bite policies like 3 strikes which have been repealed in most (if not all) places they’ve been tried.
Plus Pierre just wants to remove the GST on ALL new homes, not just for first time home buyers (who aren’t really buying a new home anyways). BUT, with Carney’s plan to rapidly increase the construction of homes and make them denser, with new methods and materials, of done correctly, could mean that a first time homebuyer a few years from now COULD potentially buy one of those new houses/townhouses.
He also understands that you must spur the private capital investment into these sectors with public money, but not to fund in completely. We need to build affordable housing yes, but we just need to make the construction of houses cheaper overall. And for home to say we’re going to use Canadian lumber only will help our lumber industry during this Turbulent trade situation with our biggest customer.
It will create jobs, create growth, and create a more affordable life overall with their housing plan. Pierre is a free market radical meanwhile Carney wants to harness that free market potential and concentrate it to work FOR us. Hence his book “Values” which I highly recommend anyone reading this to check out, even in audio form. This dude is the guy every conservative has been whining for, an economic juggernaut to build Canada for the 21st century
The LPC plan promises to increase the rate of construction to 500k units a year by 2035. CMHC says we need 3.5 million units by 2030 to return housing to affordable levels. Those two numbers aren’t close enough.
Similarly, the plan relies on private builders for construction. Assuming they keep their current profit incentives, that maintains a significant cost to new construction.
Surprisingly, the plan doesn’t address the shortage of skilled trades, either through training or immigration. The shrinking workforce will slow the rate of construction or installation of prefab homes.
The plan to bulk buy construction materials may have value, but I’m not sure that will have a significant impact on the final sticker price of a home.
The two pager released for the election doesn’t explain how the promises will lower prices. It asks us to believe that building 500k units/ year by 2035 will lower prices without explaining how. I’m skeptical.
With the increasing of construction there is an immediate need to invest in tradespeople. That isn’t something missing from the liberals, every party is on the same page in that regard. The cutting of GST on first time home buyers and easing municipal bylaws and taxes on homes will lower construction costs. If they want to have funding by the government to connect their new housing plans to existing infrastructure as to lessen the burden on the municipalities and the costs taken on by the builder, fine, as long as they state that this must be for affordable or have a profit cap on the construction of that home that has been able to be built by the federal funds used.
I’ll tell first hand that the construction industry is fucking greedy and they are liars. We will price a job out and jack the mark up to 20-30, even 40%%, and they are still going up, because they are all in agreement. That they can ride the gravy train of “things just keep getting more expensive”.
This debate just highlighted that any working class conservatives who are fed up with the liberals, should be voting for the NDP… And any richer, upper middle class conservatives should be voting for the liberals, and only the goddamn greediest mother fuckers would want the conservatives to win. They refuse to acknowledge that we cannot spend the next 10 years building a fucking 4000km pipeline for oil to the east coast… We don’t NEED to ship oil out east, we need to ship oil out west if anything.
Anyways, the debate was very good and really gave us a good look at the party leaders. But I just see Carney as being the guy for those middle of the road conservatives who are socially progressive but fiscally conservative, especially after ten year of JT.